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05-29-2016 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by negozin
you have a HUGE... d...atabase.
that's what SHE said...

(why would i even DO that? it was lame).
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05-29-2016 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben1113
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I hardly play heads up, but this morning some pretty sketchy stuff was happening, will def be downloading hhs and checking it out (opened 98 out of 101 buttons, the 3 he didn't I had AA, AA, KK). Plenty of other really weird stuff calling 4 bets with 23 and just flopping the nuts. Guy seemed to basically always stab when he had no sdv, quite a few hands he was snap checking to get to showdown w/ like 8 and 9 high (which of course was good).

I mostly think I just ran terrible against a huge whale that couldn't lose, but seemed a bit different than normal run bad. Maybe just ran into the GOAT of bovada...
And obviously you never did or did and never bothered to tell that you were in fact wrong.

And rigtards keep wondering why people think they are dumb.
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05-29-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
And obviously you never did or did and never bothered to tell that you were in fact wrong.

And rigtards keep wondering why people think they are dumb.
Haven't been playing for a few days, took a small break.

I reviewed what ended up being 240 hands when he left and with both sets of hole cards there was nothing visible more than just playing against a super aggro player that was hitting hands, no apparently riggedness at all.

Had a bad session and at around hand 90 of this hu thought something could be up because I hadn't seen something like it before. I did mention in the post that I believed I probably just ran horrible, I should have posted that I found nothing suspicious but haven't been at my poker computer much.

Gl
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05-29-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben1113
I reviewed what ended up being 240 hands when he left and with both sets of hole cards there was nothing visible more than just playing against a super aggro player that was hitting hands, no apparently riggedness at all.
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05-29-2016 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben1113
Haven't been playing for a few days, took a small break.

I reviewed what ended up being 240 hands when he left and with both sets of hole cards there was nothing visible more than just playing against a super aggro player that was hitting hands, no apparently riggedness at all.

Had a bad session and at around hand 90 of this hu thought something could be up because I hadn't seen something like it before. I did mention in the post that I believed I probably just ran horrible, I should have posted that I found nothing suspicious but haven't been at my poker computer much.

Gl
keep checking and reviewing things that seem odd.
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05-30-2016 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by negozin
is there any type of experience database to evaluate the factor of more chips winning most of times, on pre flop all in situations ?
I would like to check that statistic, with a huge database.
You can get a free trial with a tracker program and download HH from interwebs.
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05-30-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by centebakkie
You can get a free trial with a tracker program and download HH from interwebs.
interwebs???

I have HM2 but, I'm not sure if I can do the correct query in order to discover what I'm looking for.
I was wondering if is there any site that already made this experience.
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05-30-2016 , 06:38 PM
I primarily play O8 with some NLHE MTTs mixed in daily.


There is a high frequency of flops with AxA, xAA, AAx, and just as many turn scenarios with Axx-A, xAx-A, and xxA-A, happening at the micro/low stakes MTTs, 9- and 18-man S&Gs.


Also, I'm managing to stay afloat these days by skimming winnings off of the other regulars, most of which are better than I am. When I get into coin flips vs Brazil and Russia (pretty much the entire Eastern Block), I might as well be burning money.


Far too many runner-runner bail outs for players from those nations - no matter the skill level.


If anything, please take notice of the frequency of the AA flops, because I'm not simply imagining it.
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05-30-2016 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
There is a high frequency of flops with AxA, xAA, AAx, and just as many turn scenarios with Axx-A, xAx-A, and xxA-A, happening at the micro/low stakes MTTs, 9- and 18-man S&Gs.
[...]
If anything, please take notice of the frequency of the AA flops, because I'm not simply imagining it.
I bet you are. The fact that you just say there's a "high frequency" of flops, and "far too many" runner-runners without actually knowing what the correct number would be is the dead giveaway.

Well, that and that the rigs you see are probably the dumbest possible rigs for a site to make money with.
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05-30-2016 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
I primarily play O8 with some NLHE MTTs mixed in daily.


There is a high frequency of flops with AxA, xAA, AAx, and just as many turn scenarios with Axx-A, xAx-A, and xxA-A, happening at the micro/low stakes MTTs, 9- and 18-man S&Gs.


Also, I'm managing to stay afloat these days by skimming winnings off of the other regulars, most of which are better than I am. When I get into coin flips vs Brazil and Russia (pretty much the entire Eastern Block), I might as well be burning money.


Far too many runner-runner bail outs for players from those nations - no matter the skill level.


Seems like you solved poker, though you seem to not want to make money from your discoveries. Allow me to help you.

- Stop playing hands vs players from Russia or Brazil or other Eastern Bloc countries , especially those Eastern Bloc ones that border Brazil. You know, like Bolivia and Peru.

- Play a ton more hands vs regs that are better than you.


Follow this and you will literally print money, unless your belief in the rig is incorrect, but you know what you see is true, so get to it!

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
If anything, please take notice of the frequency of the AA flops, because I'm not simply imagining it.

Stop sharing your secret knowledge and instead exploit your gifted insight! Come back in a few weeks with your graph of the new fortune you made utilizing the rig instead of whining about it. Trust your eyes! Remember, there is no downside to me so I fully encourage it. Also, be sure to vote for the riggie side in the poll.

All the best.
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05-30-2016 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt

Well, that and that the rigs you see are probably the dumbest possible rigs for a site to make money with.

Yes, win enough vs better players, while getting owned by worse players, who punt off their stacks, have little to no discipline, doesn't make much sense, yet, that process has been amplified by the month.


Nevertheless, I ask those reading, to take note of the high amount of AA flops, or flop A, TURN A scenarios, because if you wanted a starting point, there it is.
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05-30-2016 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Seems like you solved poker, though you seem to not want to make money from your discoveries. Allow me to help you.

- Stop playing hands vs players from Russia or Brazil or other Eastern Bloc countries , especially those Eastern Bloc ones that border Brazil. You know, like Bolivia and Peru.

- Play a ton more hands vs regs that are better than you.


Follow this and you will literally print money, unless your belief in the rig is incorrect, but you know what you see is true, so get to it!




Stop sharing your secret knowledge and instead exploit your gifted insight! Come back in a few weeks with your graph of the new fortune you made utilizing the rig instead of whining about it. Trust your eyes! Remember, there is no downside to me so I fully encourage it. Also, be sure to vote for the riggie side in the poll.

All the best.

Those who aren't reading this for their standard fill of semantics, I implore you to simply take note of the AA flops (mentioned above), my observation alone isn't enough, but there most certainly is a flaw with the distribution.


If I'm upsetting those who are profiting off of the distribution leaks, my deepest apologies.
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05-30-2016 , 08:28 PM
You should consider bumping and replying to a post you made introducing yourself a few years ago


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Most of my problems over the years, had a lot to do with not owning up to whatever problem I've had, blaming others at times, dwelling on things that were out of my control, and not understanding that a number of these problems didn't need to be, had I done a better job of trying to figure out how to adjust, or just not reacting when the situation probably didn't call for it.



When I used to lose at poker, I used to blame the RNG/card distribution. Although I still get upset with being on the wrong end of certain outcomes, I tend to get over it more quickly these days, knowing full well that I have other tables open, or another day of playing ahead of me, and that I probably could have played better at certain points in the hand/in the overall session anyway. I think that by not being accountable, or at least not trying to figure how you could have played a hand/situation differently, is a quick way of being stuck and going nowhere.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...31&postcount=1


Come on dude, you are a hard core reg, and you know better. Games are getting tougher, so you can revert to old habits and whine about it or get some testicular fortitude and fix the problems you can fix and identify the ones you cannot fix (ie: the games may be getting tougher to beat).

80,000+ games and you whine about how much more you would make if you did not play donks? Take notes of flops? How about you get Omaha Manager and show your data? Whatever. Stop whining if you want to get anywhere already. You are doing this as a profession, not a casual donk/riggie. Read your post from 3+ years ago. Time to grow up.


All the best.
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05-30-2016 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You should consider bumping and replying to a post you made introducing yourself a few years ago





http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...31&postcount=1


Come on dude, you are a hard core reg, and you know better. Games are getting tougher, so you can revert to old habits and whine about it or get some testicular fortitude and fix the problems you can fix and identify the ones you cannot fix (ie: the games may be getting tougher to beat).

80,000+ games and you whine about how much more you would make if you did not play donks? Take notes of flops? How about you get Omaha Manager and show your data? Whatever. Stop whining if you want to get anywhere already. You are doing this as a profession, not a casual donk/riggie. Read your post from 3+ years ago. Time to grow up.


All the best.

That's nice.


Thanks for the advice.


What's wrong with pointing out that there's a "high frequency" of AAx flops? What's wrong with asking others if they too are seeing too many of these type of flops, say compared to a 55x flop, or 8x8 flop? What's wrong with wanting this flaw to be corrected, if in fact it is a flaw?


What does having to "grow up" have to do with seeing a "high frequency" of spots that shouldn't be repeating themselves as often as they do?


I'm sure you have a bigger d'ck, you can pee a mile farther, can have sex longer, you can beat me up, you can own me at poker, you're way more mature than I am, and are infinitely smarter than I am. Well done, you win.


Still, I'm wanting 'others' (you can look too if it's not too beneath you), to see for themselves, that something could be wrong (I DO believe there's a problem).

On another note, as far as I can remember, this is the first time I've posted in this thread.


What was your impetus for combing through old posts/threads, to dig up some dirt on someone you know nothing about? Why so quick to besmirch someone you don't have any prior online encounters/running dialogue with?

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05-30-2016 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Yes, win enough vs better players, while getting owned by worse players, who punt off their stacks, have little to no discipline, doesn't make much sense, yet, that process has been amplified by the month.
I see you didn't notice that I specifically edited that part of your post out, then replied to my post as if I was referring to that part and not the silly "too many As on the flop and turn" thing.
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Nevertheless, I ask those reading, to take note of the high amount of AA flops, or flop A, TURN A scenarios, because if you wanted a starting point, there it is.
Why don't you show us how you came to the conclusion that the amount of AAx or AxxA boards is high, as an actual starting point.

Let me guess, it's based entirely on your memory and not on something like reviewing hands in HM or PT.
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05-30-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
On another note, as far as I can remember, this is the first time I've posted in this thread.


What was your impetus for combing through old posts/threads, to dig up some dirt on someone you know nothing about? Why so quick to besmirch someone you don't have any prior online encounters/running dialogue with?
Paranoid people tend to revert to old habits, and a simple 15 second search of threads a poster like you started usually shows them quickly. Honestly, it is a time saver once one sees what one is dealing with, nothing more.



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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Thanks for the advice.
No problem. I did not expect you to learn much from it. If you post like this after years and nearly 100,000 games then this is what you are at this point.


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
What's wrong with pointing out that there's a "high frequency" of AAx flops?
Omaha Manager would catch this if true. You have tens of millions of hands. Do an analysis and show your work.

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
What's wrong with asking others if they too are seeing too many of these type of flops, say compared to a 55x flop, or 8x8 flop? What's wrong with wanting this flaw to be corrected, if in fact it is a flaw?
Omaha Manager will track this.


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
What does having to "grow up" have to do with seeing a "high frequency" of spots that shouldn't be repeating themselves as often as they do?
Omaha Manager will not track your innate need to grow up, but it would track this "high frequency" thing you are going on about.


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
I'm sure you have a bigger d'ck
Omana Manager does not track this, though it is likely true.


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
you can pee a mile farther
You will need a different tracking package for this.

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
can have sex longer, you can beat me up, you can own me at poker
Omana Manager may have a place for you to store your fetishes. Look at the filters.

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
you're way more mature than I am, and are infinitely smarter than I am. Well done, you win.
I checked my database for this. You are correct. I win.


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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Still, I'm wanting 'others' (you can look too if it's not too beneath you), to see for themselves, that something could be wrong (I DO believe there's a problem).
Most genuine riggies play Holdem only, so they will have no idea what you are talking about, but why don't you bump your little introductory thread in the O8 forums with your latest observations and have some other O8 regs admire them, or start a new thread in the O8 forums with your AA too often/Eastern Bloc countries like Brazil thing and see how that goes.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 05-30-2016 at 09:31 PM. Reason: Quit all forms of pokers, but only against donks...
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05-30-2016 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
I see you didn't notice that I specifically edited that part of your post out, then replied to my post as if I was referring to that part and not the silly "too many As on the flop and turn" thing.
Why don't you show us how you came to the conclusion that the amount of AAx or AxxA boards is high, as an actual starting point.

Let me guess, it's based entirely on your memory and not on something like reviewing hands in HM or PT.

Guess away.


Just asking those reading to take notice about the high frequency of AA flops and A w/A turn scenarios, because from what I'm seeing on a daily basis, it's not normal.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Paranoid people tend to revert to old habits, and a simple 15 second search of threads a poster like you started usually shows them quickly. Honestly, it is a time saver once one sees what one is dealing with, nothing more.





No problem. I did not expect you to learn much from it. If you post like this after years and nearly 100,000 games then this is what you are at this point.




Omaha Manager would catch this if true. You have tens of millions of hands. Do an analysis and show your work.



Omaha Manager will track this.




Omaha Manager will not track your innate need to grow up, but it would track this "high frequency" thing you are going on about.




Omana Manager does not track this, though it is likely true.




You will need a different tracking package for this.



Omana Manager may have a place for you to store your fetishes. Look at the filters.



I checked my database for this. You are correct. I win.




Most genuine riggies play Holdem only, so they will have no idea what you are talking about, but why don't you bump your little introductory thread in the O8 forums with your latest observations and have some other O8 regs admire them, or start a new thread in the O8 forums with your AA too often/Eastern Bloc countries like Brazil thing and see how that goes.

All the best.

It's all good brother. You're extremely bright, and you can own me across the board.


I've been seeing a high frequency of something specific, and I hope others who aren't heavily invested in the PS's RNG/card distribution, might speak up too.

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05-30-2016 , 09:42 PM
Your sarcasm is mundane, but indeed you are easily owned, though that is hardly a noteworthy accomplishment.

No other riggies play O8, so they have nothing to speak up about with regard to your obsession, and they have their own personal riggie beliefs to keep themselves occupied. Post your personalized weird in the O8 forums if that brings you emotional closure. At least they will be familiar with the game. While there you can bust out your dull sarcasm to call everyone there smarter than you, with the benefit of it likely being true. Hope all these suggestions are of use to you, and be sure if you travel to the East Bloc to be on the lookout for Zika.

All the best.
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05-30-2016 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Just asking those reading to take notice about the high frequency of AA flops and A w/A turn scenarios, because from what I'm seeing on a daily basis, it's not normal.
Ok cool, so based on the bolded, what's considered normal and what have you observed?

You know, so I can try to notice what you've noticed.
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05-30-2016 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Your sarcasm is mundane, nut indeed you are owned, though that is hardly a noteworthy accomplishment.

No other riggies play O8, so they have nothing to speak up about with regard to your obsession, and they have their own personal riggie beliefs to keep themselves occupied. Post your personalized weird in the O8 forums if that brings you emotional closure. At least they will be familiar with the game. While there you can bust out your dull sarcasm to call everyone their smarter than you as well, even though it is likely true. Hope all these suggestions are of use to you, and be sure if you travel to the East Bloc to be on the lookout for Zika.

All the best.


You're very bright, and want everyone to know it, so why invest so much of your time on something you've already got all figured out?


Again, sorry if my AA on too many flops-thing bothers you so much, but I'm pointing out what I believe is a flaw.
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05-30-2016 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Guess away.


Just asking those reading to take notice about the high frequency of AA flops and A w/A turn scenarios, because from what I'm seeing on a daily basis, it's not normal.
So what is the normal frequency, and how many are you seeing compared to that?
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05-31-2016 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen
Guess away.


Just asking those reading to take notice about the high frequency of AA flops and A w/A turn scenarios, because from what I'm seeing on a daily basis, it's not normal.




It's all good brother. You're extremely bright, and you can own me across the board.


I've been seeing a high frequency of something specific, and I hope others who aren't heavily invested in the PS's RNG/card distribution, might speak up too.
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
Ok cool, so based on the bolded, what's considered normal and what have you observed?

You know, so I can try to notice what you've noticed.
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
So what is the normal frequency, and how many are you seeing compared to that?
SteveMcQueen

Let's not get sidetracked by a dick-measuring contest with Monteroy, (I've rarely seen a bigger dick), and please provide OSA and NOG with the actual figures so that they can check their histories to see if they can agree that you have found the hidden secret. Thanks in advance.
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05-31-2016 , 08:19 AM
He did not come here to talk actual statistics, so asking him for details like that actually sidetracks his real agenda, which was to come here to whine. He is not a riggie, just a hard core reg living in a bad country (in terms of relative cost of living) who can no longer make a sustainable income (given he is in Canada) from poker as the games change. He still makes some money, but $1,000 a month in Canada is just above half the minimum wage.

He came to vent and whine, and I helped him with that process. That is why he enjoyed replying to my posts, but to your posts asking him for specific data he will yawn and say that he is simply pointing out his observations to warn others and they should look for themselves. Boring.

Anyway, both he and you (as well as other riggies at times) seem to enjoy discussing my genitals for some reason, and while that topic is definitely a sidetrack to the riggie thread, perhaps as a mod you can start a new containment thread for those interested in that subject. No difference to me.

All the best.
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05-31-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
(I've rarely seen a bigger dick)
see, this is pretty good. you don't quite know how to interpret it...dic pic, please...sorry if i took it out of context...lol.
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