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12-25-2015 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yes. I just love poker and feel if i play like a robot it take the enjoyment out of it. Although I got a new poker room 45 minutes from me now so I may just become a nit, hud following, min raising fish online in order to make more money cuz I can actually play poker live. We shall see
Money is not everything. If u don't enjoy what u are doing why do it?
They broke the mold with you
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12-26-2015 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yes. I just love poker and feel if i play like a robot it take the enjoyment out of it. Although I got a new poker room 45 minutes from me now so I may just become a nit, hud following, min raising fish online in order to make more money cuz I can actually play poker live.
You sir are a loser. No one cares if you are having fun. Our objective is to destroy you. No one gives a **** how much you whine the next day in the poker is rigged thread. Go play with you loser friends in your ****ty home game where the cards are covered in drool if you aren't man enough to even try to compete in any semi competitive environment. **** off. Quit crying like a little girl and man up already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE
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12-26-2015 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
You sir are a loser. No one cares if you are having fun. Our objective is to destroy you. No one gives a **** how much you whine the next day in the poker is rigged thread. Go play with you loser friends in your ****ty home game where the cards are covered in drool if you aren't man enough to even try to compete in any semi competitive environment. **** off. Quit crying like a little girl and man up already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE
U are welcome to try to destroy me. Poker is about beating your opponents. No one is whining about that. Gl in your quest to destroy at 2bb/100.

Last edited by jungmit; 12-26-2015 at 01:28 PM.
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12-26-2015 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
No one is whining about that.
Dude, your entire existence in this forum revolves around you whining here in the rigged thread. You have made a thousand posts and nearly half of them are in this thread, and nearly all of those are essentially at the core you crying in some shape or form about this game we play.

In fact, by your own admission, you literally got banned from a poker site for whining. You called them crying so much that they decided, in effect, that they'd rather lose cash from their own pockets than to have to continue hearing your crying and whining. I know you wont, but think about that for a second. You are such a little baby and you cried so much when you lost at a game that a international casino wont even let you give them cash if it means they have to hear more of your crying.

Unless you are actually nine years old, you are just a whining crying sore loser of ridiculously epic proportions.

Btw, for the record, I just read your post yesterday cause I was bored and a little drunk. And I suppose I responded because I found your silly whiny posts extra annoying in that particular state of mind. This was stupid to be honest. Im putting you back on ignore now. Bobo and Lego can deal with you. May the Gods have mercy on their poor souls.
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12-26-2015 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Dude, your entire existence in this forum revolves around you whining here in the rigged thread. You have made a thousand posts and nearly half of them are in this thread, and nearly all of those are essentially at the core you crying in some shape or form about this game we play.

In fact, by your own admission, you literally got banned from a poker site for whining. You called them crying so much that they decided, in effect, that they'd rather lose cash from their own pockets than to have to continue hearing your crying and whining. I know you wont, but think about that for a second. You are such a little baby and you cried so much when you lost at a game that a international casino wont even let you give them cash if it means they have to hear more of your crying.

Unless you are actually nine years old, you are just a whining crying sore loser of ridiculously epic proportions.

Btw, for the record, I just read your post yesterday cause I was bored and a little drunk. And I suppose I responded because I found your silly whiny posts extra annoying in that particular state of mind. This was stupid to be honest. Im putting you back on ignore now. Bobo and Lego can deal with you. May the Gods have mercy on their poor souls.
I could think about it but u are wrong.bi was no banned for crying or whining I was banned cuz I wanted info from them that they obv did not want to give me. Now I call them twice as often cuz I have no account there.
Also I am not a sore loser cuz I actually win more then lose. I guess booze turns u into an angry drunk. Most of my posts are question asking posts to see if we could discover something. I never once said I had any proof of any rigging. I just said these are my experiences and it does not mean they are yours, but obv if u took a group of 1000 players 1of those players will have to lose more often with aces then the other 99i
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12-26-2015 , 10:23 PM
It's hard to not be suspicious when you 3 bet someone amd they call with K2 against your AK and you flop an A amd you shove over their donk bet and they call you with air and go runner runner 2 2... for trip 2's.The only wiNing hand for them possible....The odds on that exact scenario happening have to be pretty slim.. Males you wonder if people are able to manipulate the software somehow.
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12-27-2015 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I could think about it but u are wrong.bi was no banned for crying or whining I was banned cuz I wanted info from them that they obv did not want to give me. Now I call them twice as often cuz I have no account there.
A hero. Not one we deserve, but one we need.
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12-27-2015 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
It's hard to not be suspicious when you 3 bet someone amd they call with K2 against your AK and you flop an A amd you shove over their donk bet and they call you with air and go runner runner 2 2... for trip 2's.The only wiNing hand for them possible....The odds on that exact scenario happening have to be pretty slim.. Males you wonder if people are able to manipulate the software somehow.
Well, either he is the worlds greatest computer mind and hacker and found a way to manipulate and control the poker sites entire RNG in real time undetected from his living room, and instead of making tons of cash with these skills in other settings he set out with this power to beat a $10 rebuy or whatever you were playing (thats assuming he even won the tournament which he probably just got knocked ten minutes later), or else he just sucked out on you in a hand of poker. Personally Id tend to lean towards the latter but Ive been wrong before.
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12-27-2015 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Well, either he is the worlds greatest computer mind and hacker and found a way to manipulate and control the poker sites entire RNG in real time undetected from his living room, and instead of making tons of cash with these skills in other settings he set out with this power to beat a $10 rebuy or whatever you were playing (thats assuming he even won the tournament which he probably just got knocked ten minutes later), or else he just sucked out on you in a hand of poker. Personally Id tend to lean towards the latter but Ive been wrong before.
Dunno man, I checked with magic 8 ball and it says "all signs point to yes"...

Seriously not even my 9 year old son would make that play..Very suspect..Dude had ZERO equity in the hand at the point i shoved on him..Very strange call IMHO...
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12-27-2015 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
Dude had ZERO equity in the hand at the point i shoved on him..
Im not sure whats more awesome on his behalf, his controlling the outcome of the cards with the sole intention of not actually even winning the game but just knocking you out, or him beating you in the hand with zero equity.

Seriously dude, I tried to give you good advice before. Gemaco, a long time forum member and winning poker player, took time to talk to you and give you really good advice as well. In the end though its up to you to choose good reasonable thoughts over stupidity. And to just keep it real, that's exactly what your theory is, stupid. The chances that what you described actually happened are for all intents and purposes zero. Its just complete silliness.

I'm done trying to help you. I now feel its a complete waste of time. Good luck.
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12-27-2015 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Im not sure whats more awesome on his behalf, his controlling the outcome of the cards with the sole intention of not actually even winning the game but just knocking you out, or him beating you in the hand with zero equity.

Seriously dude, I tried to give you good advice before. Gemaco, a long time forum member and winning poker player, took time to talk to you and give you really good advice as well. In the end though its up to you to choose good reasonable thoughts over stupidity. And to just keep it real, that's exactly what your theory is, stupid. The chances that what you described actually happened are for all intents and purposes zero. Its just complete silliness.

I'm done trying to help you. I now feel its a complete waste of time. Good luck.

You do realize my posts are in jest right?

But the hand did play exactly as I said it did..If I knew how to post the hand history I would, if I could find it. It was pretty sick..
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12-27-2015 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
You do realize my posts are in jest right?
How would he? There's so much stupidity posted in this thread every day, there's no way to tell the jokes from the serious stuff.
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12-27-2015 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
How would he? There's so much stupidity posted in this thread every day, there's no way to tell the jokes from the serious stuff.

Exactly...lol But seriously, you do see some cray cray **** in online play..

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12-27-2015 , 10:46 AM
Winning an all-in with zero equity is quite a trick.

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Actually the hand wasn't even close to being one of the worst bad beats in holdem, which are 989:1 draws. This one was about 89:1 depending on suits.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-27-2015 at 10:56 AM.
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12-27-2015 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
You do realize my posts are in jest right?

But the hand did play exactly as I said it did..If I knew how to post the hand history I would, if I could find it. It was pretty sick..
Did you see that clown jungmit? I'm not even sure whether he is a troll or not because of the garbage he spews. There is no telling who is a troll or not in this thread.
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12-28-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Winning an all-in with zero equity is quite a trick.

Spoiler:
Actually the hand wasn't even close to being one of the worst bad beats in holdem, which are 989:1 draws. This one was about 89:1 depending on suits.
Is the 989:1 draw the hand where you flop a set and the donk flops one pair and then he hits runner runner for quads? i.e. you have AA; donk has 3 7 suited...Board is A 3 K...turn 3...river 3...A 3 K 3 3
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12-28-2015 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Is the 989:1 draw the hand where you flop a set and the donk flops one pair and then he hits runner runner for quads? i.e. you have AA; donk has 3 7 suited...Board is A 3 K...turn 3...river 3...A 3 K 3 3
Just any case where someone needs to hit two perfect cards. Could be running quads or straight flush.

The odds of two perfect cards are 2/45 * 1/44 which happens to be once out of every 990 times so 989:1. I've done it to someone once with runner runner straight flush when he flopped top full house although I also had the 989:1 for a chop so it wasn't that bad.
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12-28-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Winning an all-in with zero equity is quite a trick.

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I have had hands where in the HEM re-player it says the the villain has 0% equity and they end up winning the pot. I think because if the person has less then 1% they just call it zero, because obviously winning with 0.00% equity is mathematically impossible.
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12-28-2015 , 06:01 PM
Riggie math sometimes breaks conventions. This person talked about how the sites can manipulate the cards so people win with 0-1% equity on the river.

How does a person have 0-1% equity on the river when at worst (assuming they are not drawing dead) they have 1 out in 44 cards left in a Holdem game? Riggie math for the win is the easiest explanation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=67913


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Originally Posted by thenutsareJacks
I'm kinda late to the party on this, but I'm sure Betfair has been mentioned in the past 4000 pages

The first site I started to play poker on regularly, and even as a complete newb I could sense something was fishy (besides the players). Regularly losing on 0-1% rivers and seeing straight/royal flush boards far too often, I even saw a video of the 'boss' talking about how the system adapts itself for new players so they win initially and deposit before busting out, but I'll be damned if I can find it, probably long gone.

Never had any suspicions on other sites, no question for me that some sites are shadier than others. It's never a case of 'rigged', but I believe some sites are programmed for el busto no matter what you do.
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12-28-2015 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Is the 989:1 draw the hand where you flop a set and the donk flops one pair and then he hits runner runner for quads? i.e. you have AA; donk has 3 7 suited...Board is A 3 K...turn 3...river 3...A 3 K 3 3
Let me clarify, he flopped ZERO pair, he called a shove with K2 with complete air...His only chance was runner runner for trips.Thats what Im saying, you just dont see this horrid play live, and it certainly does not pay off with the frequency it does online from my experiences. It is literally sickening.
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12-28-2015 , 10:13 PM
He had a 50/50 chance - either he got running trips in your made up hand or he did not. Stop whining about coin flips.

All the best.
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12-29-2015 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
Let me clarify, he flopped ZERO pair, he called a shove with K2 with complete air...His only chance was runner runner for trips.Thats what Im saying, you just dont see this horrid play live
1) Misclicks are always possible.
2) This may not apply in this case, but I suspect a few fish are at least a little more likely to make outrageous calls when they can't be embarrassed in the same way as when they're in front of live opponents.

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and it certainly does not pay off with the frequency it does online from my experiences.
Well then, you should track your stats so you can prove that one way or the other.

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It is literally sickening.
Literally sickening? So, do you actually vomit right there at your computer, or is it more of a queasy feeling?
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12-29-2015 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He had a 50/50 chance - either he got running trips in your made up hand or he did not. Stop whining about coin flips.

All the best.
I actually wish I made up the hand..I really do..It would restore my faith in online poker..lol
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12-29-2015 , 03:42 AM
Are you still talking about that hand days later? This is only meant slightly as a stab when I say, poker probably isn't for you.
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12-29-2015 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dajerseyrat
Let me clarify, he flopped ZERO pair, he called a shove with K2 with complete air...His only chance was runner runner for trips.Thats what Im saying, you just dont see this horrid play live, and it certainly does not pay off with the frequency it does online from my experiences. It is literally sickening.
You don't see this call live but in your experience, they hit less often when they call live.
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