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11-15-2015 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I don't use any of them things.

We can use USPS.
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I can skip as many as I want
How many do you need to skip to make 10 guesses? 5's not enough apparently, so is 10? 20? 30? 90?
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11-15-2015 , 04:36 PM
Come on, do the bet.
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11-15-2015 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
OK conversation is off track again. See u in another week

*Laughter*
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11-16-2015 , 04:02 PM
HI, If I wanted to erase my suspicions of poker-stars having rigged games and cheating people out of more money, where would I look, where should I start looking? what can pokerstars send me to resolve these suspicions? I want to be sure, that playing poker on the internet is statistically speaking the same as playing live in terms of odds. can someone help me or direct me on how to do this?
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11-16-2015 , 04:08 PM
No way to answer that without knowing what your specific concerns are. Or if they're more general in nature, what kind of evidence would satisfy you?
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11-17-2015 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
HI, If I wanted to erase my suspicions of poker-stars having rigged games and cheating people out of more money, where would I look, where should I start looking? what can pokerstars send me to resolve these suspicions? I want to be sure, that playing poker on the internet is statistically speaking the same as playing live in terms of odds. can someone help me or direct me on how to do this?
Pokerstars will send you and any player their own hand histories. You can load these hand histories into Pokertracker, HoldemManager, or similar programs. Here you can check nearly every conceivable stat to see if anything is abnormal. Most winning online players have hundreds of thousands or millions of hands in their databases for example. This is the reason why its generally online poker noobs that make rigging accusations and not pro players. Pros have the data to examine while noobs just have what they believe is a gut feeling of shenanigans, which in reality is just the feeling of playing poker. Good luck.
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11-18-2015 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Pokerstars will send you and any player their own hand histories. You can load these hand histories into Pokertracker, HoldemManager, or similar programs. Here you can check nearly every conceivable stat to see if anything is abnormal. Most winning online players have hundreds of thousands or millions of hands in their databases for example. This is the reason why its generally online poker noobs that make rigging accusations and not pro players. Pros have the data to examine while noobs just have what they believe is a gut feeling of shenanigans, which in reality is just the feeling of playing poker. Good luck.
But u can run things like how often a set runs into top pair or better, or how often u get a pocket pair vs pocket pair. These things will not be able to be found. All u will be able to do Is see how often u win with certain hands, how often u hit a flush or str8 etccc. So if u feel u a re being cheated by running Into bigger hands more often u will never be able to find out.
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11-18-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
But u can run things like how often a set runs into top pair or better, or how often u get a pocket pair vs pocket pair. These things will not be able to be found. All u will be able to do Is see how often u win with certain hands, how often u hit a flush or str8 etccc. So if u feel u a re being cheated by running Into bigger hands more often u will never be able to find out.
Wrong in every respect, as would be expected from one of your posts.
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11-18-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
But u can run things like how often a set runs into top pair or better, or how often u get a pocket pair vs pocket pair. These things will not be able to be found. All u will be able to do Is see how often u win with certain hands, how often u hit a flush or str8 etccc. So if u feel u a re being cheated by running Into bigger hands more often u will never be able to find out.

You going to do the prop bet you proposed, that another user accepted all the terms, or you going to keep avoiding it? Hopefully by now you figured out a way that you can pay another person $20 if you lose (even though you will never pay if you lose and as well you will never have the actual bet go forward).

All the best.
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11-18-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
Wrong in every respect, as would be expected from one of your posts.
Cool. So tell me how often u flopped a set and some had top pair or better? Thanks for the help.
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11-18-2015 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You going to do the prop bet you proposed, that another user accepted all the terms, or you going to keep avoiding it? Hopefully by now you figured out a way that you can pay another person $20 if you lose (even though you will never pay if you lose and as well you will never have the actual bet go forward).

All the best.
Outside of mail i have no way to transfer funds. If he gives me his address we got a deal I guess as long as we can agree on how many flops I can skip. Thanks for helping monty
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11-18-2015 , 08:03 PM
He already said he was fine with your 10 flops. You will have to give your address as well in case you win, so exchange some PMs and get it done already.

With regard to how many flops you can skip - he asked you to pick a number, so the best way for you to answer that is to actually pick a number and say it. Hope that advice helped, I realize it can take several times for you to understand things like that.

Time for you to carry through on one of your little prop bets! Don't worry, nobody expects you will or that you will pay if you lose.

All the best.


P.S. Nobody cares about your silly trips/top pair thing since you have no idea how often it should happen anyway, so any answer will have no meaning to you.
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11-18-2015 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He already said he was fine with your 10 flops. You will have to give your address as well in case you win, so exchange some PMs and get it done already.

With regard to how many flops you can skip - he asked you to pick a number, so the best way for you to answer that is to actually pick a number and say it. Hope that advice helped, I realize it can take several times for you to understand things like that.

Time for you to carry through on one of your little prop bets! Don't worry, nobody expects you will or that you will pay if you lose.

All the best.


P.S. Nobody cares about your silly trips/top pair thing since you have no idea how often it should happen anyway, so any answer will have no meaning to you.
Cool. And no one cares to negotiate a prop bet with u when I am betting with someone else. He can contact me and we will work it out. Hope that helps.
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11-18-2015 , 08:29 PM
I am not the one you are negotiating the prop bet with anymore. I realize it takes you a few times to follow basic conversations, but it was another poster who accepted all of your conditions. After that you have made one excuse after another why it will not happen. You are still doing it.

Either do the prop bet you proposed or just admit you were lying the whole time. If you never do this prop bet (like you equally avoided your heads up challenge) then you will be the riggie who cried wolf twice, and nobody will care or believe anything you say in the future. Well, ok that is not much of a change...

All the best.
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11-18-2015 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Outside of mail i have no way to transfer funds.
seems like you shouldn't really be proposing bets for money online then!

Can we just accept that this bet is never happening for money, and just do it for fun? I want to see jungmit's magical predictive powers in action.
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11-18-2015 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Cool. So tell me how often u flopped a set and some had top pair or better? Thanks for the help.
How often should it have happened and at what point should I be worried if my numbers are different ?
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11-18-2015 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Outside of mail i have no way to transfer funds. [redacted text]
You can't even arrange for a wire transfer from your bank? I think wire transfers were first done in the 1870's (albeit differently then than now). You can't be that old and incapable of using such modern technology.

It is almost 2016; there have to be at least a dozen ways to send money outside of the mail. Maybe check some of them out; maybe you'll be able to quit writing all those paper checks and sending them out in the mail to pay your bills. And the next time a situation like this comes up you'll be ready with a viable method that you probably won't use to pay.
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11-18-2015 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am not the one you are negotiating the prop bet with anymore. I realize it takes you a few times to follow basic conversations, but it was another poster who accepted all of your conditions. After that you have made one excuse after another why it will not happen. You are still doing it.

Either do the prop bet you proposed or just admit you were lying the whole time. If you never do this prop bet (like you equally avoided your heads up challenge) then you will be the riggie who cried wolf twice, and nobody will care or believe anything you say in the future. Well, ok that is not much of a change...

All the best.
Yes we are doing it. Hope that helpsk
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11-18-2015 , 10:32 PM
After all the build up and hype you need to let everyone know when it is taking place. I assume since you are "doing it" that you worked out all the payment details, along with the time and place for your super power test, and also have decided how many flops you can skip. Feel free to post all that information here, because it will be refreshing to see someone like you actually follow through on something, though realistically that still remains fairly doubtful. Odds are you are just saying you are doing it and nothing more, but I hope I am surprised in that regard .

All the best.
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11-18-2015 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
You can't even arrange for a wire transfer from your bank? I think wire transfers were first done in the 1870's (albeit differently then than now). You can't be that old and incapable of using such modern technology.

It is almost 2016; there have to be at least a dozen ways to send money outside of the mail. Maybe check some of them out; maybe you'll be able to quit writing all those paper checks and sending them out in the mail to pay your bills. And the next time a situation like this comes up you'll be ready with a viable method that you probably won't use to pay.
Never done one before. correct I use checks to pay bills, I deposit my checks. I don't have direct deposit, no online banking. Sorry.
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11-19-2015 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Never done one before. correct I use checks to pay bills, I deposit my checks. I don't have direct deposit, no online banking. Sorry.
You don't need to be online to do a wire transfer. Hint, they didn't have online banking in the 1870s either.
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11-19-2015 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
You don't need to be online to do a wire transfer. Hint, they didn't have online banking in the 1870s either.
I didn't say u did. Ok conversation getting stupid again. See u next week
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11-19-2015 , 12:55 AM
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I didn't say u did. Ok conversation getting stupid again. See u next week
Good idea, a week should give you enough time to think of another excuse why you cant honor your own word and go through with the bet that you challenged others to accept.

Buh-bye.
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11-19-2015 , 01:37 AM
This jungmit is getting really annoying and boring

No one can be so dumb.
I am 99.99% sure he's just trolling
0.01% chance he's not. In this case he needs serious medical help.
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11-19-2015 , 04:58 AM
I thought that too, but then I skimmed his posting history and became pretty sure he's the real deal. There's always a chance that it's just someone pretending to be breathtakingly stupid, but if so they've put some serious ground work in.
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