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03-15-2014 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
I know everything I need to know about PT already.
So I take it this was... uhm... a lie?
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
I'm not here to lie or make anyone think bad about 888 software. I'm here to understand if it's really something or am I seeing things where they don't exist.



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I don't review my sessions. ...

That's all you guys do, imply that I suck at poker.
I didn't imply that you suck at poker, I'm implying that you would be better off spending your time on something useful/productive, be it for your play or your mindset (which you indeed seem to suck at imo), rather than pointlessly spreading lies, rants, and unfounded claims and accusations ITT (ie. building a solid rigtard reputation).

Oh and no, I don't play HU. I tried it once and I suck at it. Might as well be rigged but my stats suggested the former.

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03-15-2014 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
So I take it this was... uhm... a lie?
I was talking about for me, to play poker, not to prove site's "rigness"
and where does it say there I need/want to learn more about PT ?

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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
I didn't imply that you suck at poker, I'm implying that you would be better off spending your time on something useful/productive, be it for your play or your mindset, rather than pointlessly spreading lies and unfounded claims and accusations ITT.
a) I haven't lied a single time
b) I am a winning player
c) I can now control tilt better than most players
d) I have better BRM than most players
e) Play me HU and prove me I suck at poker


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Oh and no, I don't play HU. I tried it once and I suck at it. Might as well be rigged but my stats suggested the former.
Are you that bad you can't beat a liar with mindset problems and tilts a lot ? just 3 SNG's, you can choose the speed.
Some people say HU is the purest form of poker, so you might wanna think about quiting poker if you suck at HU.

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03-16-2014 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
where does it say there I need/want to learn more about PT ?
Like, here:

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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
how do I filter it ?
I'm not here to lie or make anyone think bad about 888 software. I'm here to understand if it's really something or am I seeing things where they don't exist.
Was it a lie, or not? If not, you're approaching it wrong.

3 games as a proof, doh. Let's just say I am that bad. And fwiw, that's exactly what I did - quit HU and focus on improving in a game with better individual potential.

Anyway, I made my point, anything beyond that is pointless, so I'm out.
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03-16-2014 , 01:36 AM
Seriously, there is nothing I am so sure of than that online poker is a pure scam. Winrates are kept extremly low to generate as much rake as possible. The rake at nl10 is even higher than nl25 because more ppl can afford playing this limit, and nl25 is blocked for most players. There was AbsolutePoker, iPoker bots, rigged tests.

And since we are talking hundreds of millions of profit and no single evidence that everything is legit, I consider people who buy this as super stupid.
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03-16-2014 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
From what I understood you're not religious.
Why not ? christians have a lot of proof that their god existed.
But you made the choice to not believe it and not believe their proof.
Wait, what... seriously? Lol. Can you tell me what you mean with proof that god existed? "Nature is that great, there must be a God" or something? Words in a book?

The word "proof" has a meaning. You seem to struggle understanding it.

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Just like you made the choice to ignore all proof everybody posted here. I mean, 99% proof posted here is useless but you could still not ignore the 1%.
I wouldn't ignore any proof, problem is, noone posted proof. Didn't we just agree that single hands are no proof? There is an easy way to prove a rig beyond reasonable doubt. Just do it. Why is every single riggie a) clueless concerning the math needed and b) seemingly unable to find the wiki sides that would help? Baffling.

An idiot crying "It is rigged, see that hand" is no proof. An idiot doing that 200 times instead of just doing the math is proof, but only that they indeed are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
I have played about 15k hands and have seen 14 quads already.
I see 25%'s beat the 75's like 50% of the time. I see nut flops lose to runner runners like 25% the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a victim here, I'm talking about hands I see from other players, and I suckout too, obviously less because I don't like getting it in bad like fish does but I play superturbo so it's impossible not to get it in bad once in a while.

I seriously hope this is only happening to me, I will be playing on that site for a couple more months, I like the field
Just like every single riggie is unable to operate a poker tracker. Why is that?

There are people that can operate a poker tracker, obviously none of them is a riggie. Go through the thread if you don't believe. Why is that?
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03-16-2014 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
Like, here:

Was it a lie, or not? If not, you're approaching it wrong.

3 games as a proof...

I asked that before I said I knew everything I needed about PT. Pls stop making bold accusations, you're being worst than riggies

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Originally Posted by franxic
Wait, what... seriously? Lol. Can you tell me what you mean with proof that god existed? "Nature is that great, there must be a God" or something? Words in a book?
Really? ask a christian if they don't have proof. They have a bunch of books all tellin same story. They have all kinds of jesus things that he left. Miracles have happened like the guy who tried to shoot John Paul II.

but here you are saying they don't have proof when you have no idea wth you're talking about. Just cause you don't believe it doesn't make it false or "not proof".

As I write this lost AQ v AT. QQ v A7 v 9T (9T str8 A7 2 pair lol) and a 60-40 so yeah ofc I have my doubts, 3 hands ahead lost all 3, it's not just now, it's all the time. You don't believe it, good for you, 1 less concern in ur life, but don't talk like you were god and know everything and only you are right.

My last post on this thread so don't bother replying
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03-16-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark


Really? ask a christian if they don't have proof. They have a bunch of books all tellin same story. They have all kinds of jesus things that he left. Miracles have happened like the guy who tried to shoot John Paul II.

but here you are saying they don't have proof when you have no idea wth you're talking about. Just cause you don't believe it doesn't make it false or "not proof".

Wait.. because someone wrote something it is proven? That is proof you don't understand the word proof.

Btw, even christians say they don't need any proof (similar to riggies). Because both have none ldo, and that is the difference between "knowing" and "believing", just to help you with two other words you probably don't understand the meaning of.
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03-16-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Sorry I didn't reply to this sooner, I was busy ****ing an amazingly hot 19 y/old Thai chick. Without a condom, ofc.

Instead of this meaningless little challenge, I propose a new one. Let's have a challenge to see who can **** the most girls in a 1 week time period, starting from whenever you reply to this message. As this is far more important than some stupid BS where we compare 'bad beats' for the day - the fact is your life is a bad beat and my challenge will prove it.
I am sure you got your $5 worth from the experience, if it even happened, and if it did that cost you 250 BB of your "fortune." Talk about -EV (from the prostitute's perspective)...

The next time you feel the need to post whiny hands about pennies, be sure to tell yourself that instead you can be a better internet warrior by taking pride in bragging about meaningless sex with cheap prostitutes that probably never happened anyway.

You have no money. You have no prospects for the future. You even suck at the internet. That is why you always feel you are kept down, you are naturally at the bottom of all aspects of life. That is your place, so you may as well make the best of it however you can.

Have a great weekend, and if it makes you feel better about yourself post more about your unverified accomplishments, while also complaining about losing what is pocket change to most humans. Nobody will take them seriously or believe you because you never actually prove or document anything, so saying you had sex with 1,000 women means nothing, since your kind literally lies all the time, but that will not stop you from trying to convince yourself that your lies do mean something. I encourage you to lie about your personal "accomplishments" and post more 2NL and 4NL whiny hands as every time you do that you demonstrate the definition of a life failure. Now, do as you are told like people in your position do.

All the best.

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03-16-2014 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am sure you got your $5 worth from the experience, if it even happened.

The next time you feel the need to post whiny hands about pennies, be sure to tell yourself that instead you can be a better internet warrior by taking pride in bragging about meaningless sex with cheap prostitutes that probably never happened anyway.

You have no money. You have no prospects for the future. You even suck at the internet. That is why you always feel you are kept down, you are naturally at the bottom of all aspects of life.

Have a great weekend, and if it makes you feel better about yourself post more about your unverified accomplishments in between complaining about losing what is pocket change to most humans.

All the best.
So you're not taking up the challenge then? Funny that.

As for 'no money', I have more than enough that I enjoy my life. So long as you have enough cash to live in a decent place, eat 3 meals a day, have Sky Sports, and can afford to spend your holidays in Thailand each year, that's all the money you'll ever need. Anything else on top of that is pointless.

See Monteroy, I got laid today. I'll get laid tommorow as well. When I go back home, I'll get laid. You on the other hand will not. So it doesn't really matter how much money you've got, although I still think you're just a minimum wage guy. I'm still winning in the game of life.

EDIT: BTW, if you feel me been in Thailand gives me an unfair advantage, I'll be happy to repeat this offer in a couple of months time when I go home, since I'm totally confident I will outscore you no matter where the hell I am.
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03-16-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
So you're not taking up the challenge then? Funny that.
Sure, I had sex with 5,475 women this week. Go ahead and beat it. If you claim you had more I will just claim I had more. Impressive internet challenge you created, isn't it?



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As for 'no money', I have more than enough that I enjoy my life. So long as you have enough cash to live in a decent place, eat 3 meals a day
YMCA and 3 meals a day at the Goodwill. Sounds ideal. Glad you are happy.


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See Monteroy, I got laid today. I'll get laid tommorow as well. When I go back home, I'll get laid.
5,473 more fictional accomplishments to go then according to your challenge... Good luck with that!


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You on the other hand will not.
I did. I said so on the internet so it has to be true, just like you are doing. You better get to it to win this challenge.


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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
So it doesn't really matter how much money you've got, although I still think you're just a minimum wage guy. I'm still winning in the game of life.
You are taking pride in being a hobo, who regards minimum wage as something special. Helps explain why you whine about 2NL hands.

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EDIT: BTW, if you feel me
Going to pass on that request...


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I'll be happy to repeat this offer in a couple of months time when I go home, since I'm totally confident I will outscore you no matter where the hell I am.
I am sure you can lie on the internet no matter where you say you are located. No need to prove that.

One last hint, if you get arrested and put in jail then your needs of 3 hots and a cot and some "action" will all be had without you having to do anything, and you probably will get better medical care, so you may want to consider that as an option for you, since according to your definitions this would help you win at life.

Sadly (for you), you fail at life. Your problem. I find it funny, that's all.

Don't forget to post more 2NL hands, that is what this thread is really about for you!

All the best.
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03-16-2014 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Sure, I had sex with 5,475 women this week. Go ahead and beat it. If you claim you had more I will just claim I had more. Impressive internet challenge you created, isn't it?





YMCA and 3 meals a day at the Goodwill. Sounds ideal. Glad you are happy.




5,473 more fictional accomplishments to go then according to your challenge... Good luck with that!




I did. I said so on the internet so it has to be true, just like you are doing. You better get to it to win this challenge.




You are taking pride in being a hobo, who regards minimum wage as something special. Helps explain why you whine about 2NL hands.



Going to pass on that request...




I am sure you can lie on the internet no matter where you say you are located. No need to prove that.

One last hint, if you get arrested and put in jail then your needs of 3 hots and a cot and some "action" will all be had without you having to do anything, and you probably will get better medical care, so you may want to consider that as an option for you.

You fail at life. Your problem.

All the best.
Always funny seeing shills get angry. Your demand for proof of girls I've shagged is quite worrying really - what do you want, pictures?

Of course, your lack of trust in my word probably just indicates you're an untrustworthy person yourself.
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03-16-2014 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Always funny seeing shills get angry.
Indeed it is, that's why I get them angry at times. One day I hope a riggie actually gets me mad, if one ever did I would be the first to congratulate that riggie, as I do admire when someone gets in a great zinger. I was hoping that furball guy was capable of some, but he disappointed.

You I never had any real expectations about since you are a bottom dweller in general, but at times it is fun to get a whiner like you off message to see what surprises you will reveal. Your whole sex / hooker challenge is a good example, and the fact you take it seriously is pretty comical.

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Your demand for proof of girls I've shagged is quite worrying really - what do you want, pictures?
I am sure your word is fine, just like mine is. You better get going, you have well over 5,000 more to go to catch up in your "challenge."


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Of course, your lack of trust in my word probably just indicates you're an untrustworthy person yourself.
I just said I trust your word, just as you must trust mine, otherwise as you say this will indicate you are an untrustworthy person.

The world is annoying when you have to apply the rules of the moment you set for others to yourself.

Anyway, you have a lot of women to meet, well over 5,000 to go since we trust each other. Keep us updated on that as well as your 2 NL grind.

All the best.
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03-16-2014 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Indeed it is, that's why I get them angry at times. One day I hope a riggie actually gets me mad, if one ever did I would be the first to congratulate that riggie, as I do admire when someone gets in a great zinger. I was hoping that furball guy was capable of some, but he disappointed.

You I never had any real expectations about since you are a bottom dweller in general, but at times it is fun to get a whiner like you off message to see what surprises you will reveal. Your whole sex / hooker challenge is a good example, and the fact you take it seriously is pretty comical.



I am sure your word is fine, just like mine is. You better get going, you have well over 5,000 more to go to catch up in your "challenge."




I just said I trust your word, just as you must trust mine, otherwise as you say this will indicate you are an untrustworthy person.

The world is annoying when you have to apply the rules of the moment you set for others to yourself.

Anyway, you have a lot of women to meet, well over 5,000 to go since we trust each other. Keep us updated on that as well as your 2 NL grind.

All the best.
Protip: the 5000 copies of playboy you accumulated do not count as getting laid.
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03-16-2014 , 01:36 PM
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Protip: the 5000 copies of playboy you accumulated do not count as getting laid.
Your thai blowup doll doesn't count either (also are you 100% sure it was a female?)
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03-16-2014 , 02:40 PM
I've just realised where BBED is from. And the Sky Sports reference indicated the kind of person he is. Monty's got his character nailed.
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03-16-2014 , 03:50 PM
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I've just realised where BBED is from. And the Sky Sports reference indicated the kind of person he is. Monty's got his character nailed.
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03-16-2014 , 04:16 PM
I think I haven't seen a real life loser make up more crap about his unexisting sexual life on the interwebs, than bbev did in one page on the forum for mentally handicapped people trying to justify their failure to win at poker. Not sure how sexual fantasies interconnect with inability to beat 2NL, but I really think this is a time where ban is just a necessity.

Holly molly...
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03-16-2014 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ktnxbye
I think I haven't seen a real life loser make up more crap about his unexisting sexual life on the interwebs, than bbev did in one page on the forum for mentally handicapped people trying to justify their failure to win at poker. Not sure how sexual fantasies interconnect with inability to beat 2NL, but I really think this is a time where ban is just a necessity.

Holly molly...
Another whiny shill prop bitch crying for a ban ion a riggie thread. Get a life goof

Neat picture, a 3 eyed fish. You're a cool guy

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03-16-2014 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Get a life goof
Says a lunatic who lies about his poker profits, and calls everyone who doesn't believe in his tinfoil hat conspiracies a poker room employee.
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03-16-2014 , 06:29 PM
I haven;t lied about anything, in fact my numbers are modest. I owe you no info whatsoever. Go back and post on your Franxic account
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03-16-2014 , 06:52 PM
Over the weekend I have been set up losing to hands in the two blinds or dealt a unfoldable hand in the big blind only to be set up by the software. It would be great if the RNG did not effect the dealings in tournments. I play sunday million and give rake to shady online indistry would be nice if the dealer does not effect the outcome
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03-16-2014 , 06:55 PM
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I haven;t lied about anything, in fact my numbers are modest. I owe you no info whatsoever. Go back and post on your Franxic account
you're claiming to be awesome and such so i don't understand why it is so difficult to post your site + your name on that site so we can check your super awesome graph.

you have nothing to hide so tell my why you won't give us your name? it's not like we immediately know your real name and stuff like that.

oh and by the way, if you claim that online poker is rigged you do infact owe us info (aka proof) to verify your claim that online poker is rigged. otherwise you're just throwing dirt to a company which has done nothing illegal (defamation) which is punishable (not sure if thats true for all countries)

edit: is it lying when you personally believe something is true? (futballer truely believes poker is rigged so is that called a lie or isn't it the same?)
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03-16-2014 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Over the weekend I have been set up losing to hands in the two blinds or dealt a unfoldable hand in the big blind only to be set up by the software. It would be great if the RNG did not effect the dealings in tournments. I play sunday million and give rake to shady online indistry would be nice if the dealer does not effect the outcome
the dealer always affects the outcome wether it be good or bad.

as for pokerstars tournaments being rigged > nope. tournaments (on stars) have a massive amount of runners. only top places get real money so you can assume it's pretty variance heavy. if you can't handle the variance you should switch to another poker variant or quit altogether

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assume:
-we have pocket aces every hand
-we have to get all-in
-we have to win 10 times in a row to win the tournament
how often do we win the tournament?

Spoiler:
tell me what you think first
Spoiler:
seriously
Spoiler:
10,7%
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03-16-2014 , 07:08 PM
You haven't been "set up by the software"

Sometimes two big hands clash —it just happens, and then one of them has to lose. It's all part of the game. It's not shady and the RNG does not affect the dealing in tournaments, at least not in the way you're insinuating.

Clearly the RNG does have a significant effect on the dealing, but that's its job, that's what it's there for, to help the software deal random hands.

If one person has AA and another person has KK, and they get it all in preflop, the guy with KK still has about a 1 in 5 chance of winning. Now, he may not win the first time, or even the second, third or fourth time, but if they clash like that 1,000 times then he'll suck out on about 200 of them.

You claiming you got stiffed on a pathetic "sample" of just two hands is just making yourself look even sillier.

It's not rigged, coolers are just one of the basic elements of the game, and you have to learn to cope with them. If they weren't, then fish would get cleaned up so quickly they'd never come back.

Go away and learn probability before making idiotic accusations — all that happens is you appear really foolish.

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assume:
-we have pocket aces every hand
-we have to get all-in
-we have to win 10 times in a row to win the tournament
how often do we win the tournament?

Spoiler:
tell me what you think first
Spoiler:
seriously
Spoiler:
10,7%
Spoiler:
50-50, we either win or we don't

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03-16-2014 , 07:10 PM
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Over the weekend I have been set up losing to hands in the two blinds or dealt a unfoldable hand in the big blind only to be set up by the software. It would be great if the RNG did not effect the dealings in tournments. I play sunday million and give rake to shady online indistry would be nice if the dealer does not effect the outcome
Did the dealer chat to you at the table to inform you that you're being screwed?

Obviously you're being screwed... that we have no doubt, but how do you know it's the dealer to blame? It could easily be the virtual deck of cards distributor. If I were to lay money that's the guy I'd go after.
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