The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 103 - Internet Poker

Yeah back when I was building my roll at like $.10/$.25 I had a hand where I held 4c2c in the BB two players limped to me (I checked), flop came something like Q-5-3c, checked around. Turn was a 5c, checked around. River was a 6c. I bet, got raised, re-raised etc until we were all in. Turns out the other two guys had slowplayed QQ and 55 all the way. That hand was pretty awesome. LOL slowplayaments.

I posted it in BBV if you can find it.

Yea this hand would certainly compare.

They both slowplayed all the way to the river? Really? lol? Serves them right, shame it was only 25NL.

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04-20-2009 , 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

Can anyone produce a 3 way hand that compares to this.

Usually a BBJ will be 2 players.

Ok, so it's an extremely rare event. That does not make it impossible.

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04-20-2009 , 06:34 PM

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Took a few minutes, but I found it in the archives.

I got a couple of the details wrong but it's pretty much the same.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...ue#Post7002387

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04-20-2009 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

No.

Has anyone ever seen a hand that beats this one for ridiculousness.

Ummmm...whenever a bad beat is won at the VERY least is has to be quads over quads. This happens in Brick and Mortars around the world daily.

EDIT: Noticed spadebidder posted something similar a few minutes ago. Markus, where do I get a new pony?

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04-20-2009 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Markusgc

no it doesn't and no it's not. since it isn't evidence, why are you posting it?

If you're gonna, you might as well do it right...

you know the turn could've been a brick and the boat still would've beat the flush. as far as having seen something like that, yeah, I see flushes lose to full houses about every day.

edit: I see the 55 guy hit quads too. that's unusual, but I don't see this often. do you? if you see it once, it's remarkable. frequently, that's another story. please let us know if it comes up again.

Whats the point in saying boats beat flushes, of course they do Boats and flushes will get into it all day every day at all limits but this hand is both hitting quads with only turn and river to come.

I think seeing this once is remarkable and I m just wondering if anyone can produce a hand that beats this one.

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04-20-2009 , 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dbcooper279

Ok, so it's an extremely rare event. That does not make it impossible.

Exactly. It would actually be an argument in favor of rigging if it never happened.

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04-20-2009 , 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DMoogle

Took a few minutes, but I found it in the archives.

I got a couple of the details wrong but it's pretty much the same.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...ue#Post7002387

Cool 200$ pot not bad. I did believe you mate you didnt need to fish it out. I ve beaten quads myself with a str8 flush 2h5h vs 3 3 on a Ah 3h 3 4h 4 board but only at 25NL.

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04-20-2009 , 06:43 PM

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Oh, and maybe it is time this thread got moved to BBV since our friend Sooper is now just cross posting hands from that forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...aaaaaa-464625/

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04-20-2009 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

Whats the point in saying boats beat flushes...

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I think seeing this once is remarkable and I m just wondering if anyone can produce a hand that beats this one.

what, in your opinion, would "beat" that one? the guy w/quads losing to a royal at last years WSOP ME? Or do we need 3 players to showdown?

you can comb BBV for stuff like that, but the fact that you won't find many probably says more about it NOT being rigged than anything else.

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04-20-2009 , 06:43 PM

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Yea thanks Evidence boy Im aware of the BBJ rules, though a lot of B&M have lesser requirements like Aces full of tens getting beat and up.

How many of those quad vs quad beats will involve a non floped quads hand and better yet involve a floped nut flush and then have 2 sets of quads by the river? Probably wont even happen yearly in B&M casinos.

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04-20-2009 , 06:51 PM

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the point was the guy w/JJ hit a boat, which is still better than the flush, so the 4th J was moot. then I saw (and clearly labeled my new words as "edited") the 55 guy hit quads as well and said that it was more unusual than I originally gave it credit for.

what, in your opinion, would "beat" that one? the guy w/quads losing to a royal at last years WSOP ME? Or do we need 3 players to showdown?

you can comb BBV for stuff like that, but the fact that you won't find many probably says more about it NOT being rigged than anything else.

The jacks never boated up but never mind.

Maybe if someone floped a str8 or Royal flush and then 2 guys hit quads on turn and river. Yea Im looking for an unusual 3 way. I understand that 2 way incredible beats are common.

Of course that type of hand is going to occur every once in a while but still just because an event has a probabilty of almost never occuring doesnt mean that it has to happen at some point.

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04-20-2009 , 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

but still just because an event has a probabilty of almost never occuring doesnt mean that it has to happen at some point.

Not a math guy are you? If we continue playing poker forever, it will happen.

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04-20-2009 , 06:58 PM

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Probably wont even happen yearly in B&M casinos.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about here.

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The jacks never boated up but never mind.

yeah, as I mentioned, if the turn was a brick, he would've STILL had a boat on the river. You know, JJJ55.

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04-20-2009 , 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dbcooper279

Not a math guy are you? If we continue playing poker forever, it will happen.

If I played the lottery forever it isnt certain that I would eventually win it (assuming everyone was immortal and we could play until the end of time).

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04-20-2009 , 06:59 PM

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wooou, something amazing just happened

My ft curse .. It looks that it camed to an end.

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04-20-2009 , 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

If I played the lottery forever it isnt certain that I would eventually win it (assuming everyone was immortal and we could play until the end of time).

if the lottery ran as often as hands are dealt (online or in a casino) your chances would be significantly better.

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04-20-2009 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

If I played the lottery forever it isnt certain that I would eventually win it (assuming everyone was immortal and we could play until the end of time).

Ever deal with limits? Play an infinite number of lottery games and you will win, eventually.

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04-20-2009 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Markusgc

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about here.

yeah, as I mentioned, if the turn was a brick, he would've STILL had a boat on the river. You know, JJJ55.

Well find me the post where this has happened in B&M. Yes not every1 posts here but enough do that sum1 would have posted a hand like this.

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04-20-2009 , 07:03 PM

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Ever deal with limits? Play an infinite number of lottery games and you will win, eventually.

We ll never play an infinite No. of poker hands though so you cant bring infinite into it.

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04-20-2009 , 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

If I played the lottery forever it isnt certain that I would eventually win it (assuming everyone was immortal and we could play until the end of time).

Sooper...if you could play the lottery forever and we agreed that it was completely random, you would indeed win it eventually. In lotteries where you need to pick 6 out of 6 digits correct from numbers 1-49 the odds of winning are 1 in 13,983,816.

So if you play 13,983,816 lotteries there is a good chance you will win it. Of course you may not in that time, but if you played it another hundred million times the odds of you NOT winning it would be VERY VERY low...and you would win it eventually. If you didn't then it would be a good case for it being "rigged".

Understand?

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04-20-2009 , 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SooperFish24

Well find me the post where this has happened in B&M. Yes not every1 posts here but enough do that sum1 would have posted a hand like this.

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com...38.html#432438

you know there are A LOT of B&M cardrooms around the world, right?

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04-20-2009 , 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Markusgc

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com...38.html#432438

you know there are A LOT of B&M cardrooms around the world, right?

No I thought there was only 5 or 6.

The hand in that post isnt as bad as the one we re discussing. Its just a one outer.

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04-20-2009 , 07:21 PM

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You're being childish now. Are you going to change your parameters every time I find an example for you?

But 2nd nut flush < nut flush < straight flush, that don't mean nothin', huh?

If you really think it's a fact there won't be a showdown like the one you've already admitted isn't evidence of any sort at any B&M cardroom in a full calendar year then you don't have the grasp of statistics you've previously claimed.

But even if there isn't, there could be 3 next year, so what does that say?

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04-20-2009 , 07:23 PM

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lol......The riggness is also rigged. The ISPs are all in on it as well. The road runner is actually a slight of hand card expert. Beep Beep

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04-20-2009 , 07:34 PM

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Crazy as this may sound, my theory is that if it is rigged then the sites may choose to actually avoid the extreme seen it once a year type hands that everyone will remember and talk about when they do their rigging.

Kind of like how car thieves tend to avoid the cars filled with cops carrying machine guns when choosing their targets.

People really need to stick to better rigged theory selection.

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