Well, here's one flaw in your theory: AK vs AQ isn't a 3 outer situation, DUCY?

It is pre flop before any post flop variables come into force. ak v aq was just an example il use ak v a7 if it makes you feel better

Otatop - my guess is that he doesn't see why.

Marcus - if you really believe it is that far out of whack then just play accordingly and rake in the profits. AT and A8 and stuff like that vs AK all day and you'll be killing it!

Marcus - AK vs A7 is not a 3 outer either.

Like i said it depends on post flop variables including suit's etc hence why i said its around 28% mark meaning you should lose around 1 in 4 but this isnt the case

A 3 outer is around 7%. Again, saying that it isn't the case implies that you've done more research than just saying "Oh, that seems wrong".

Poker Tracker and Hold 'em Manager both have free trials. Download them, import your hands, and filter your hands to see if 72% preflop favorites are losing vastly more often than they should.

If it's not rigged for any particular player, then people must be getting AK crushed by AQ equally between all players. In that case, it makes your question in the OP moot. Do you see why this is? How can 3 outers be off if no one is the beneficiary of the statistical anomaly?

Also, AK vs Ax is not a three outer preflop since in poker there are straights and flushes used to make the best hand. It's possible for AQ to beat AK when no Q is on the board. Nutty, eh?

You mean like this! Should I have folded?


Full Tilt Poker $24 + $2 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1200/t2400 Blinds + t300 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t39721 M = 6.97
BTN: t32625 M = 5.72
SB: t38267 M = 6.71
Hero (BB): t25005 M = 4.39
UTG: t51240 M = 8.99
UTG+1: t29639 M = 5.20
MP: t53503 M = 9.39

Pre Flop: (t5700) Hero is BB with A J
5 folds, SB raises to t37967 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t22305 all in

Flop: (t51510) 9 7 9

Turn: (t51510) Q

River: (t51510) T

Final Pot: t51510
SB shows 9 A (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero shows A J (a pair of Nines)
SB wins t51510



Full Tilt Poker $24 + $2 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1200/t2400 Blinds + t300 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t39721 M = 6.97
BTN: t32625 M = 5.72
SB: t38267 M = 6.71
Hero (BB): t25005 M = 4.39
UTG: t51240 M = 8.99
UTG+1: t29639 M = 5.20
MP: t53503 M = 9.39

Pre Flop: (t5700) Hero is BB with A J
5 folds, SB raises to t37967 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t22305 all in

Flop: (t51510) 9 7 9

Turn: (t51510) Q

River: (t51510) T

Final Pot: t51510
SB shows 9 A (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero shows A J (a pair of Nines)
SB wins t51510

Was this a mulligan that resulted in the exact same result?

No I added "should I have folded"...I'm not worried about the beat, but did I play it right calling his all in?

Just because one individual isnt benefitting doesnt mean the % aren't out!

As for your 2nd point im sure ive explained this already regarding suit's and flop variables. The 3 outer term is just the easiest way to describe it without saying well the flop was xyz etc and giving exact hole cards.

Cliffs: OP - I can tell the percentages are way off.

Forum - What are the percentages?

OP - I have no idea, Im not into all those fancy numbers, my gut does all my math.

Okay... then explain how that's possible if it's not rigged. Use mathematics to prove your hypothesis.

Another smartarse with a keyboard i see!!!!

You cant discuss anything on here without some arrogant prick having a snipe.

I already said i dont have the numbers yet thats why i was asking for opinions

Is this in response to me or 5thstreet?

Being rigged for a player to win and hand win % are two completely different things

5thstreet

Okay, so the odds of a hand holding up can be off and it still not be rigged?

Op, this is very, very common knowledge. Everyone knows that the only sites that a,k is favorite over a,q is Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker. Please switch sites asap and this won't happen again.

I gave up on FT a long time ago. It could be a normal variance swing or it's rigged. Only the owners and programmers know for sure, and not any single person commenting on this forum. You have to decide for yourself and do what's best for your bankroll and your peace of mind. As for me and thousands of others, we believe that software manipulation is the cause of these apparent variance abberations, so we don't play there. Good luck to you. (Most of the comments defending the site are from admitted shills . . . Methinks FTP doth protest too much!)

Its only rigged if its meant to benefit certain individuals which im not saying it does, my point was the win %'s of hands seem wrong to me from what ive been seeing everyday at the tables. Il sort out holdem manager so maybe il get some figures. All i was after was to know from regular players if they thought anything was up as the ammount of ak v ax etc hand all in pf that go's to the ax has been ridiculously high recently im not just talking about hands involving myself. Maybe an update has altered something at ft's end which has changed how the hand %'s work out.

I would be interested to read any research done into poker sites and how hand % play out.

Check out this blog. It's a real eye opener: http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot....31942233872942

Looks like you found your target audience OP.

Btw, who are the admitted FTP shills that have commented in this thread Gordias? Or did you just make that up because your word is completely meaningless thus being caught in a blatant lie is of no concern to you?? Just curious.

I'd say we both have. But I don't look that often.