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The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?

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08-21-2010 , 02:03 PM

#25001

TwoMoos

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,089

25000 shills

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08-21-2010 , 02:04 PM

#25002

Xorc1st

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 662

run the sample 1 million times, then come back

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08-21-2010 , 02:06 PM

#25003

BWMASJR

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 497

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Originally Posted by Xorc1st

run the sample 1 million times, then come back

i was gonna say sample size ftw but this works too

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08-21-2010 , 02:06 PM

#25004

Wiki

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,939

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Whateva bro but the face of online poker is changing big time and if you can't accept it I can't help you.

Where does he say he can't accept it?

Even amongst the most moronic of the rigtards you stand out.

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08-21-2010 , 02:12 PM

#25005

BickStackMe

banned

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,176

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

Has anybody else noticed the ammount of 3 outers that hit on full tilt sng's. I get an unproportionally high amount of 3 outer beats, before you go on that bad beats happen and its poker i am aware of that however the % of these hands ak v aq etc holding up doesnt seem to relate in full tilt. The hand with 3 outs seems to hit an awful lot where in reality it should only win around 28% of the time. Its not just my bad beats ive noticed it in general in games ive been involved in and its happening a lot, far more than 28% of the time. You would think the aq would be 72% fav v ak according to full tilt.
Any full tilt sng regulars notice this?

stopped reading there

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08-21-2010 , 02:14 PM

#25006

heater

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 11,407

real deal poker

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08-21-2010 , 02:14 PM

#25007

marcusr82

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 35

Thanks for your input bickstackme much appreciated contribution

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08-21-2010 , 02:23 PM

#25008

Wiki

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,939

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Originally Posted by BickStackMe

stopped reading there

And you thought that you needed to tell the whole forum that, why, exactly?

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08-21-2010 , 02:43 PM

#25009

BickStackMe

banned

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,176

too warn u guys, not to read it..

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08-21-2010 , 02:52 PM

#25010

otatop

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 12,721

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

I get an unproportionally high amount of 3 outer beats, before you go on that bad beats happen and its poker i am aware of that however the % of these hands ak v aq etc holding up doesnt seem to relate in full tilt. The hand with 3 outs seems to hit an awful lot where in reality it should only win around 28% of the time. Its not just my bad beats ive noticed it in general in games ive been involved in and its happening a lot, far more than 28% of the time. You would think the aq would be 72% fav v ak according to full tilt.

Show your work.

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08-21-2010 , 02:55 PM

#25011

Rek

HUZA 2008

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,033

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

the % of these hands ak v aq etc holding up doesnt seem to relate in full tilt

Really? So what is the % you have witnessed against what the % should be and what is your sample size

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The hand with 3 outs seems to hit an awful lot where in reality it should only win around 28% of the time

Really? so what is "an awful lot" in your actual % and what is your sample size?

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08-21-2010 , 03:13 PM

#25012

marcusr82

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 35

I do not have months of statistical information to back up any claims so im sure the flamers will have a field day, however its just something i have noticed as a regular sng player on full tilt particularly over the previous 3-4 months or so. The % just dont seem right. I am only interested in the opinions of regular ft sng players as imo there seems to be something wrong with their software and wondered if any others had noticed this.

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08-21-2010 , 03:39 PM

#25013

otatop

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

I am only interested in the opinions of regular ft sng players as imo there seems to be something wrong with their software and wondered if any others had noticed this.

Nope, no one with software has noticed this, it took your skilled eyes to uncover it.

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08-21-2010 , 03:47 PM

#25014

marcusr82

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 35

Like i said im just interested in the regulars opinions on ft sng's if you are and dont think theres anything wrong thats cool.

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08-21-2010 , 03:50 PM

#25015

Rek

HUZA 2008

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,033

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

I do not have months of statistical information to back up any claims

Oh, so no facts then. Well I am surprised.

There is a huge thread for people like you and I think you may soon join it.

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08-21-2010 , 03:56 PM

#25016

magent

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,873

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Originally Posted by marcusr82

Like i said im just interested in the regulars opinions on ft sng's if you are and dont think theres anything wrong thats cool.

Here. I have a simple question for you.

If they were going to rig the site, do you really think they would do it with AQ vs AK, KK vs AA and other hands that stick out like a sore thumb, or do you think they would do it like shaving tenths of a percent off of a flush draw or other less obvious setups in which it would take a substantially larger sample to prove conclusively rigged? Not a rhetorical question. Please answer it without using the words but or however.

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08-21-2010 , 04:21 PM

#25017

skcuSnawD

banned

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 128

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Originally Posted by Xorc1st

run the sample 1 million times, then come back

I did and its way too many on every site.

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08-21-2010 , 04:26 PM

#25018

Bingo_Boy

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,872

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Time will tell but Partygaming is smiling right now.

If "time will tell" why do you continue to jump the gun posting your smug, sanctimonious opinions as if they are factual insights? Like this:

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

It really doesn't matter anymore. FT and PS are done. Once the US gives them the boot. ...

These sites enjoyed unregulated and unpoliced policies but it's over

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Whateva bro but the face of online poker is changing big time and if you can't accept it I can't help you.

Every post makes you sound more like a shill (for partypoker, or B&M, or whatever your agenda is) than anybody else in this thread. If you are so desperate to shut down PS and FT, just produce the proof (which I think you suggested you actually have?) that your all in equity is being stolen in such an obvious and detectable way.

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08-21-2010 , 04:29 PM

#25019

Ten shin zaga

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,563

That is why Im always going all in with A2, I think in full tilt 3 outers hit 70-80% of the time. 50% when u run pretty bad and 35% when it seem u cant win a hand.

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08-21-2010 , 04:32 PM

#25020

batair

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Well since if this bill passes they will have to be in the US and allow regulators to inspect their operation that isn't a concern anymore is it?

True US regs make its imposable for companies to be dishonest or cheat.

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08-21-2010 , 04:46 PM

#25021

otatop

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Originally Posted by skcuSnawD

I did and its way too many on every site.

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Originally Posted by otatop

Show your work.

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08-21-2010 , 04:52 PM

#25022

marcusr82

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 35

magent i never said ft was rigged for any particular players i just think the hand win % are out especially regarding the old 3 outers.

Rek im not interested in your smug comments, i only wanted to hear from regular sng players so please jog on to another thread. If you dont think theres anything wrong thats fine. It seems you cant discuss anything on here without getting smartarse remarks

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08-21-2010 , 04:59 PM

#25023

aTTa

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 288

This has probably been asked/said before but why does it seem that every time you try to take a shot at a higher lever (sufficiently bankrolled or not) you get the sickest ****ing coolers and bad beats almost immediately? I mean yes I understand higher stakes better players blah blah blah but it's not even about their skill. You get like set over set almost ****ing immediately, within like the first 20 hands you sit down. All in TPTK against TP second best kicker and he'll runner runner a backdoor flush. I mean it's ****ing soul crushing.