You just spew on and on and on to talk circles around the real issue, just like phil nagy does anytime you have to address an actual concern.

Just remember, youre the one that said they existed which would end the discussion, youre the one that wont provide them, youre the one that said lets play a game now and pretend they dont exist, then you held on to the game like i forgot the rest of the conversation to try to deflect that im harping on something that doesnt exist even tho youre the one that said it did and to pretend it doesnt.

I get your strategy im just letting you know that it doesnt work for people that actually know how to read and comprehend what youre writing.

All the best to you. I know you got a lot of work to do to keep posting so you can pay the rent.

GG buddy.

OK, so now you have two options. One - where the hell are the studies you promised and the second is - why the hell are you saying now that there are no studies. I mean, ok, sure, whatever - not really sure how to address that. Feel free to assume that I made up all the studies or that I did not. They exist or they do not. I told the truth or I lied. Whatever you prefer the outcome to be and I will say - you are completely correct on that topic. Just choose whatever works for you at this point.

How about this - you say the exact words you want me to say about these studies of yours, and I will repeat it word for word, and if nothing else that should help get you some emotional closure on this topic that you cannot seem to move on from in your life for now.

I will even go further and not bother to ask why your anon hands of all hands played is an idea that literally nobody else in the market places value on, and why then would any site meet your personal need when you are the only consumer asking for it. We will just conclude that with some generic - I am a shill and sites are evil or whatever you need for closure on that as well.

As well, if you need to do some more threats of violence or death threats for further emotional closure then go for it. Others have done it before. One other guy did a blackmail attempt earlier this year to me via PM, albeit in a way that completely got wrong how I do business in 2020 thus making it a completely inert threat, but I get the emotional need behind some of the people who have to behave like that because someone said something that bothered them in a meaningless riggie thread. I tend to just put people who behave like that on complete ignore, since this thread is about having fun, so you can choose if you need to do it further or if the one time you did the threats was just you venting.

There you go. Nice offers of closure on all the issues you have, and after that you can tuck this away as mission accomplished and move on with your life, whether in this industry ( I would suggest you still quit this industry) or not. You can also assume I get paid a lot or nothing for posting this, whatever you want to believe I will say that is perfectly fine and go along with it. Can't do much more for you than this, so feel free to properly conclude all these things and learn to participate in this silly thread in the meaningless way it deserves, or go on more about studies in an obsessive, emotional manner. Choice is totally yours, and while the former is the healthier one for you, I cannot say I particularly care which one you do choose in the end. Just make a choice.

All the best.

One time in college my roommate bought a Holdem Spy Bot that could apparently see others holes cards.

He was absolutely in shock when it didn't work and support didn't reply to his email.

I miss college.

I just wish you would take your own advice.

It probably was transmitting his hole cards to others.

Of course that's the strategy. It's been like that for 15 years.

I'm sure Mike the Mod will be along any day now to give him a warning.

How about instead of obsessing about me or the mods that you instead take that energy and support and work with the Bastian Booger riggie on pushing the evil poker sites to do the solution he suggested, or see if he will join you to fight for your solution. I did more work in that regard for him to try to get some riggie unity than either of you.

Let me guess - my suggesting the two of you work together to organize and present your concerns in a professional way that may attract others to your cause is another form of deflection or something. Nothing should stop you since no studies exist in this industry any more, so feel free to surprise me by having the two of you do some actual work toward your concerns. Do not worry - nobody expects that to happen - because riggies never do work. If either of you reply to this, the one thing that will not be mentioned is why the two of you do not work together moving forward. Feel free to prove me wrong .

All the best.

Bingo. And the virus it left behind when uninstalled continued to do so. The people who sold him the bogus software could see when and where he was playing, and all his cards. These trojans were a thing for while, and are probably still around.

I guess the program did what it was designed to do

Never done none of the above, but i did post some links here to some questionable hands.

No problem. Those guys seemed to have basically vanished for the most part, as per riggie tradition, but if any of them become active again and defy riggie standards by putting forth some effort to support and work toward a solution with another riggie, I will add you, and your solution to the list for their consideration with the powerful introduction - But wait! There's more!

4) Ginsu Knife Riggie - posted a few links to a few hands


Always happy to encourage riggies to work together toward a solution, even when they will never make that effort.

All the best.

Monteroy, do you even play on the apps in question, Pppoker and Pokerbros?

I have experience with several dozen rooms over the years including those apps. This of course means nothing with regard to this thread, but at least it answered your sharp question which could cut through a metal can and then slice a tomato with ease. None of the other riggies on that list have experience with the rooms you are talking about for what it is worth.

Here, let's play a fun game. Here is a recent hand from Pokerstars

https://pokeit.co/public/024EFlADY/r

Show me a better one from the sites you play on. If it is as rigged as you say, and you believe that a few hands matter, then you should pass this simple test. Good luck!

All the best.

That one is pretty sick, and it looks like a hand made up on an app similar to Share My Pair to cause controversy. You say you have experience in a number of sites, and my question to that is, what made you switch sites and bounce around.? What's your take on the hand you posted.?

It is a sick hand, but the thing is - sick hands happen once in a while, and are memorable. What you did not see was the next hand where 94o was folded a person raised and the blinds folded. That's the thing about memorable hands - they stand out because they are so rare, but riggies only ever talk about those hands and completely ignore all the mundane hands that are a much bigger part of poker. That is why you only see cherry picked hands posted, but never 2 hour streams to document a rig they believe they see with their own eyes, which would contain a huge amount of hands which do not support their whatever narrative.

My take on the hand I posted was the it was a funny cherry picked hand. That's all. For every weird hand there are a ton of hands like the following:

https://pokeit.co/public/024H5txfa/r

which people like you never post about.

I bounced around a lot in the bonus whoring era for money reasons. The casino bonuses were many times more than poker, but there was room for some poker stuff in the mix.

I get that you want to get excited about cherry picked hands and that is your choice, but you are wasting a lot of time and energy chasing ghosts that do not exist, so either accept that and play if you win or quit this industry if you do not. You saw the lack of interest that riggies have in other riggie theories. There is even less interest outside of riggie threads. Total non issue in this industry, so if you make it a personal obsession all that is is -EV for you. That's all. I say this common sense knowing it will not change your perspective at all.

All the best.

That HH is a work of art.

As I stated earlier in my post, that hand looks like a hand that was created just for this topic at hand, as i can create the same on Share My Pair as i again stated above. You should have posted the actual hands in play as you tell everyone else to do. Also, I'd like to know what bonus you got on pppoker or pokerbros, since you stated that was your reason for playing cause i sure haven't heard of any. It seems that the people that are posting here are still in the mix of action and you're long gone from it. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even play online poker at all anymore.

The Pokerstars hand was just one played that involved a player I work with and 5 way all-ins tend to stand out and that one really stood out. If I wanted I could post cherry picked hands that people like you would say is proof of some whatever rig, but the reality is most of the hands are ones like the other I posted (also watching a player I work with) where nothing interesting happens.

I get that you had AQ lose to A4 or something. I guess get over it. Or don't. Your choice in the end how much riggage baggage you want to carry when playing.

As for the apps you seem crazed about I explored them as I do all sorts of rooms to see which are practical to back players on. In 2020 the new player bonus or whatever, if any, is barely part of that choice.

You can focus on how much I as an individual play, but recognize I work with several dozen players who play on many rooms and they do very detailed analyses of their hands all the time. RnG riggage is literally a zero issue, I cannot think of the last time it has been mentioned by anyone I work with, because it is literally a zero issue.

If you want to believe you have a gifted insight with your special powers to identify a few hands that seem wrong - not sure what to tell you other than welcome to the riggie thread where many like you have come and gone, but the reality is that I and many others have a lot more exposure to this industry than you, including many of the regs onthe site you play which are happy when riggies get moved to this containment thread to avoid cluttering the room based threads that deal with more important issues.

Glad you enjoyed the hand. That is all it was - a single funny hand, probably will be the funniest I see in 2020 and I see a ton more in a month that you probably see in a year . I say all of this knowing it will have zero impact on your beliefs.

All the best.

Again you showed no proof that the hand ever existed. Now you say it was one of your friends hand.. Smh. Now I really believe it's made up just like the fact you keep making up the fact I posted having AQ lose to A4, and i never said that. Now you're saying a bonus is not your choice when i pointed out to you that one is non existing on the apps, but you said it was your reason before. I really would like to see your cherry picked hands, one that really is you cause again like I said before, I don't even believe you even play. You're so quick to call people riggies, but yet you don't even play on the platform and most people play on pppoker or pokerbros for the ease of play and quick cashouts. I think your words would be better accredited if you actually can back up what you say with some actual real experience than just a bunch of long stretched out gibberish every post.... All the best

Your belief that such hands don't happen randomly is irrational nonsense. Such hands are inevitable and in fact must happen with a random deal. On the large sites dealing millions of hands a day these happen routinely. And somebody like you will post about them being suspicious on some forum.

Irrational nonsense huh? Well sir, have you ever witness this? I'll wait....... You can search the whole internet and YouTube and the closest you'll ever find is this https://youtu.be/5U-IfnVBqQQ
If you've never witness it, why comment? We all can say this and that can happen, but the question is, has it? Umm no. These sites are ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as the belief of people not believing they induce action...

Want to bet that you can get a bonus on the apps? I'm willing to bet, assuming 1 chip is $1.00, your call.

Unlike you and other riggies, when I post something it is verifiable.

Dude, the hand number is shown. Hand #216682468678

Dude, the tournament number is shown. Tournament # 2962230792

All you have to do is go into the Pokerstars software and request the hand history (choose the hand number) for yourself and they will email you the details. At that point you can assume Pokerstars is in on it as well, or something. You can sharkscope the tournament to verify all the players shown were in that tournament and that that tournament exists.


Oh yeah, you were the one that got all hot and bothered because a couple cherry picked hands had a lot of clubs dealt. Spoooooky!


It was definitely my reason before. Before being around 2006-2010. We are currently in 2020. That is how time works. Things change.

I posted an actual real hand with all of the verifiable data behind it. I am amused that you called it a fake when you and other riggies post cherry picked hands that usually hide all the data . Most times riggies do not even post an actual hand, they just say what happened. Guess you would believe that more?

The regs in the room based threads dismiss you and are happy when you get pushed into the riggie thread with your mundane whining. They likely have more experience there than you, so what do you say when they laugh you off as well with your too many clubs obsession?

As I said - it is totally your choice how much you want to drag your game down with riggie paranoid concerns that nobody else cares about. It is just a variant of bad beat whining, which is an inferior way to approach this industry, particularly in 2020 when it is hardly as forgiving, but the poker economy and your opponents appreciate you doing just that. I say all of this knowing it will have no impact on your concerns.

All the best.

I never expressed an opinion on your last statement, just on your belief that low probability hands should never happen. In an honest random deal, they *must* happen. And you don't get that.

Ginyu6869: Do you even lift?