So I have made profit from poker for some time now across multiple different sites I do not claim to be the best poker player out there I do not even claim to be a decent poker player but i have consistently made money from the game so struggle to believe that online poker is rigged in anyway that could stop me or anyone else making a profit. Maybe there is the odd shady site out there but I do not know it.

Though all this talk does remind me of the time I was invited to play in what I believed was a rigged poker game so I will tell that story here.

In my earlier periods in life I was not that popular and kind of a loner and did not want to be so. One day a guy from work who i thought did not like me (that was probably an accurate assessment) invited me out with him and his mates so I thought yes why not be social. Then one of his mates got talking to me he knew I was a poker player and that I told people I made money from the game (I did and this was true but whether he actually believed that or not I do not know) anyway this guy turns out to be a loan shark to be clear a gangster loan shark. He keeps trying to persuade me to take a loan to play high stakes poker. my response was I did not need a loan for poker if I am good enough to be there my bankroll will rise and take me there and if it is not I am not. but he was relentless he kept going on, he explained that whilst he had a bad reputation for breaking peoples legs and the likes he was actually a reasonable guy he only did that if people kept avoiding him but if people could not pay and talked to him about this they could sit down and talk about payment plans etc. The guy was a good salesmen he actually made it sound like it would be a pleasurable experience to be in debt to him (I am sure it definitively would not be)
Anyway he mentioned that he ran this poker room which was much better than the sites or casinos because there rake was better then anywhere else (it wasnt it was awful rake) I must have spent a good hour or so arguing with him that 10% rake was terrible and the casinos plus poker sites ran at 5% rake or lower. he would not accept this.
Anyway I truly believe had I gone to that underground poker game it would have been rigged there would have been cheating and the game would have been fixed. It sounds like the scam is I am supposed to accept that loan and go to this high stakes underground game the game is rigged I dont spot it I lose all the money and now I am in debt to the mob.

I will never know for sure if that Game was a rigged game because I walked away in disgust I never took the loan I never went to that game and I never talked to that guy from work ever again apart from the one time he threatened to knock me out years later when I was out drinking with a friend.

I will never know for 100% if the game was rigged or not But I think most posters on these forums will conclude that actually the game i described sounds like a rigged game. Not much point in debate though the point is when I thought a game was likely to be rigged I walked away I did not play there.

If you truly believe a site is rigged why play there why not stop? there are rigged games out there eg fruit machines we all know that certain permutations are much less likely then others when if the fruit machine was truly unbiased then all permutations would be equally likely and it would be profitable to play with their payouts. Yet some people still play these games even when they know that. So if you could enjoy online poker even believing it was rigged then fair enough but then if you did you guys would not be here complaining that it was rigged.

When you select hands form a database as an example of X, you literally cherry picked them. I crashed a satellite, stuck in BB, 40% of my chips in the pot. UTG shoves, I call because....why not. My 6/8off blasted his A/Kd. Know what that means? Donkey action got rewarded and some evidence that AK does not win 100% of the time.

Dude, most of these hands are back to back, there's date stamps all over them. Anybody can clearly see it's all action hands and setups left and right. If I posted a video of a whole session, that's cherry picking as well huh? That just sounds like an evasion tactic to misdirect the obvious. Clearly this is an untested product that's we're playing on that's setup for action as these apps constantly update, and modifications are made with ease. So many have shared the same experience and have noticed how one player wins every hand raising pre with crap cards and winning due to his stack size. Runner runner full house jamming with 1 pair, and hitting runner straights and flushes. I'd like to see the ones that put so much belief in these sites stream or record your play cause im beginning to believe you don't even play and just come on here to discredit the truth. I'll wait on the link but I know it'll never come.

My Opinion:

Nobody should play on any online poker site for over 100 hours* if in their own mind there is a greater than 10% chance that the site is rigged IN ANY WAY against them.

*It might take 100 hours to play enough hands to make an educated guess about a site's "rigginess."

I'm not sure what any of that means. Of you have 100 hands where X happened what matters is what percent overall.

As far as many others says it? Lol, this thread is a gazillion posts long with some very serious and strong feelz. The issue that logically thinking people have is.....proof. It's not as some vapid headed people suggest that there is some contest taking place ITT. That is just more rigtard chatter.

I, for one, have been very vocal about wrongdoings, stuff we found or someone else posted evidence of it happening. That is another issue lost in the riggie brain. Integrity and security matter. This thread has "debate" in quotes. It's because there is no debating feelz. Action flop rig is just silly, if you understood how the networks make money and how easy it would be to prove. Now, if you had a database say of 10K hands and pocket pairs show up 33% of the time, you would get a lot different response. Even a single session recorded means nothing.

It's kinda ironic that the "Shills" like Dude and Monty have worked to expose ACTUAL shady activity taking place in online poker.

Has a "Card-Carrying Riggie" EVER exposed REAL scams or cheating?

I've heard that while Lock went months and months without paying out, the Riggies were ranting about "action flops" and Doomswitches.

Then Lock skipped town with all the $$$ and their Doomswitch.

Because, the obvious, game integrity is absolutely critical. When someone has evidence, make sure network area it and explains what they're going to do about it. When Full Flush was scamming everyone, two dunces were ranting and raving about how they are going to get the money back. Some jackass, Game-Protect, had a master plan. Only issue was, it was idiotic and did not exist. Agirlinoh swore that game-protect knew what he was doing. I called the law office in Curacao and spoke to the lawyer's, that was supposedly on the case, assistant. She assured me she had no idea what any of the nonsense game-protect claimed was happening. In fact, she said it was perfectly fine to contact their office either in email or phone so they could clear up any misunderstanding. Game-Protect, being dumber than a box or rocks, on the make because he was charging people to collect their money.

I gave nitty gritty details of how international law worked, the supposed firm suing them, and how there was zero chance in a penny every being collected. Yet, some players insisted it was happening. Years later, nut n hunny. It was entertaining for me in a way. Since my background is in international finance, mergers and acquisitions specifically, I kind of know a thing or two about that stuff . Letting someone bloviate in hubris is most enjoyable when you can slap 'em with facts.

poker stars is rigged, everything went well with normal ups and downs until I withdraw two thousand dollars, once I withdraw that I could not win more at my usual level, I assumed that it was a downsuing so I decided to rest a few days and returned, but everything continued equal or worse, under winning the hand most of the time but poker stars is in charge of losing it, decided to lower the level to continue playing and everything continues the same, it is impossible to play once the money is withdrawn

Finally, we have conclusive evidence. Thank you.

Action flop rig is silly?? Clearly you're talking about what you think and not what you see, cause on my pics, it's clearly visible it's all action and it's shown how the money is going in. Action flops keeps the money going in for max rake every hand. I'm pretty sure that each table that is made has a projected profit range that it will produce and how many hands that is estimated to be played. Action flops also build up that bad players confidence that they still have a chance at winning and in turn, you have good and bad players keep coming back. Action flops also entices you to go after that big stack ( Tilt ) hoping to catch him. Action flops induces pessure both ways, and when you're chasing your money, you'll spend more than you would when your trying to hold your money.. There's so many ways action flops help the site, and these are just some examples. These sites target that fun factor more than the realistic play of randomness, giving everyone the feel of a shot at winning. Besides, who likes a dead party? GLI stated that it tests prototype version of software and not the actually finished version of the app itself, a version that clearly can be modified or hit with the old bait and switch.

Came to see if there was any evidence posted this week.

No, that's not.

Set up a basic Twitch stream, (here's one easy way to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL4XfprDcq8), and let us know when you're streaming.

It will be interesting to see your rig in live action, and you could become famous in the process.

Have you read the 191 page report that Dacy posted?

Do let us know what you think when you've finished.

That's a fantastic idea. A live streamed shillie cash game. Monty, Dud, et al, your move.

Or maybe you could join the shillie cash game too? Let us know when you're streaming.

GTFO with that. This is poker we're talking about. A game where cheating and scamming have been rampant for decades and continue in various forms today.

Back out from under your rock I see. Still nothing of value to say....

Yeah. Game integrity is critical. Riggie brainfarts....not so much.

That report was debunked ITT years ago FWIW.

I clearly said in my post that non believers should stream or record their play, and since you chimed in with your description of how easy it is, then you can volunteer. Although I'm sure you're just a talker just like the rest and wanted your comment to fame. So mr easy, nows your chance and you can reach the fame you tried to reach with your comment.

Anyone else remember the site DonkRoom on Enet network? Have played on tons of sites over the years with no complaints but I'm certain something strange was going on there.

Hit a royal flush within my first 2k hands and experienced so many bad beats / coolers (most of them going in my favor) that I felt something was wrong. Didn't get to investigate much further as they banned my account shortly thereafter with no explanation given.

The problem is "non believers" in weird rigs will not stream to disprove weird rigs. Why would they? They don't care about weird rigs said by paranoid riggies. You want to see my list with dozens or hundreds of different weird rigs? Maybe you are pocket pair dude, but what about flush draw dude, new player boom switch dude, people who raise first win dude, big stacks always win dude, small stacks always win dude, action flop dude, early Royal Flush dude etc etc. You expect "non believers to do hundreds of videos trying to disprove all of them and after all that work just be told they are a shill?

You are the one with a rig so easy to prove that you can literally see it. All you need to do is say in advance of your next few streaming sessions here, so that everyone can see you giving live commentary as it happens explaining the rig. Stop posting after the fact cherry picked stuff, as that will always be seen as chosen to suit your whatever agenda. This is your rig, the above is the way for you to help demonstrate it. You do it! Don't worry, nobody expects you to do anything other than same as riggie usual. I simply post easy to follow instructions to riggies on how to prove or monetize their rigs for amusement sake, and of course because I get paid to do that.

All the best.

Actually it is, if you choose it after the fact based on the outcome, absolutely.

Hello again friends

found the guy who threatened to kill me on 888. Not posting his social media info.

but I will say that seeing his face is all the justice I need.

https://imgur.com/a/lvd76j8

hes the attractive potato head

Lol, yeah not sure you have much to be concerned about there.

Would you eat your cooking if someone accused you of poisoning it, or would you just throw it away? If you're here telling everyone online sites are to be trusted, "and note that I said EVERYONE" then you should post a video of what you claim. I've called out cards that will come on the river to win the hand and im sure you have as well cause you know it's not random just as well as we do, but since this is your way of income, I wouldn't expect you to post a video cause it would discredit everything you say. It's always going to be called cherry picking even when the hands obviously come right behind one another with time stamps and date to prove it. No video needed when you can see that. No person on here that says it's a random fair game, will post a video cause they already know it isn't. I suppose posted hand data would be called cherry picking as well. Lol

I would not care what someone like you says. Why would I? Why should I? If I did then I literally have to care about what any rando says about anything. I will pass on that, but if you like I can post the riggie list and you can believe every single one of them.



Nope. Not how it works. You are saying you can see an obvious rig. I am saying simply tell people before you do streaming when you will do that so we can see the rig in action before you cherry pick hands after which have no value. The fact you will never do that is kind of telling.

If a site is corrupt, I am the first one who wants to see proof of it, but I cannot take the word of raging riggies, because there are a ton of riggies with a ton of raging stories and literally no evidence to date. Your job to show proof, not mine.




If you have the super power to call cards out in advance then we create a prop bet where you show that super power of yours as it happens and test it. Since you know you can do it - this will be easy money for you. Obviously you will never agree to that. Riggies never do, except the one riggie who I literally posted hands that fit his beliefs and he assumed I was tricking him so he guessed cards that were not part of his rig. I tried to spoon feed that riggie a victory with his supernatural powers and he screwed it up (and to his credit laughed about it after and said "it was worth a shot").




It is cherry picking because you are literally cherry picking your sequences after the fact. That is the definition of cherry picking. Show that you can do it live as it happens, and I say that again knowing riggies will never do that, because in the end they know that they cannot. If you did a live session, most hands would be totally mundane as most poker hands are in the end.

Dude - either quit poker if you believe it is cheating you or set up some sessions in advance that people can see you prove your whatever rig in action as it happens, not after the fact when you pick the specific hands to show. If you do not do that then noone else really cares, even other riggies who have their own riggie beliefs they preach about just like you are doing with yours.

All the best.

Prove it, bigmouth.