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Originally Posted by jungmit
Great point. But here is the problem. Yoiur aces will win as often as they should, the problem is when they lose they make it lose in streaks. So u win 15 times in a row with aces. Your known wont then lose 1 then win 4 more etc. No u will lose like 5 times in a row, then look at your odds and say hey your aces win as much as they should. I play plo online. Crush 5 days then get crushed 1 day over and over. Look at my stats yeah my hands win as much as they should. Weird how all the losses come on the same day tho??? Thoughts ??
This perception is literally the issue I addressed in the post that you quoted.
But PokerStars used to - I don't know if they still do - distribute a report to players showing their results with pocket aces. You should ask them for it - and publish it here.
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Originally Posted by pqpqpq
But why do you address in my direction comments about the stereotypical perception of the world by our brain?
Because it addressed the issue that you were raising.
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Pokerstars is a company based in Malta. Do you know what capabilities this country has in order to control such a company in any way?
I think the Maltese regulator is entirely unfit, and I think it is a discredited organisation given the series of scandals that have taken place under their watch. I don't trust them at all - that's why I don't recommend playing at a site regulated by them.
Fortunately, in the case of online poker, since you have hand histories, you can conduct your own analysis of your own play, so you don't need to rely upon the Maltese.
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Do you know how pokerstars received this certificate https://access.gaminglabs.com/certificate/index?i=187 from GLI with the famous sentence "VALIDITY: These findings of statistical randomness do not extend beyond the software and hardware components examined by GLI."?
I imagine that PokerStars contracted with GLI to do the analysis and paid for that?
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They stated that full house beats straight and gave the certificate. Not true? Prove.
I don't know what this even means.
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Give more information. Why not? Companies from other industries have not only certificates but are also open to their clients. They provide all information. Why in the situation when there is a client interested in information, he should be shouted, called a ghost hunter, etc.? I like to know, I like reading, numbers and would love to read some report about online poker.
Yes, I think that an online poker site should be transparent and accountable to its customers. That's why, when I worked for an online poker site, I was transparent and accountable to customers.
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Why are you not interested in it?
I am very interested in it - that's why I worked in the industry for around a decade.
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It is a fascinating subject also for a philosopher. How can a manmade tool reflect a coded in nature randomness?
There are a few different ways of achieving randomness, they all revolve around getting entropy into your tool from outside the system.
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What are the tools for testing these tools?
I'm not familiar with what GLI do here - you can ask them.
The former tester of PokerStars, Cigital, described their methods in significant detail. I don't know if they're still online somewhere, but GLI probably uses a similar mechanism. GLI might even publish their methodology somewhere, you could ask them.
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Can we investigate it in a different way than by observing the results of this randomness generators as we do to it in hm2 for example?
I don't understand what you're saying here. Maybe there's a grammar or typo error - Can you try re-phrasing your question?
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And if so, does anyone investigate it in a professional way? Do you have something interesting about it or not?
Spadebidder conducted an extensive study which you can see online at spadebidder.com - but he wasn't paid by anyone, so technically not "professional".
Many folks in this forum (including myself) have contributed to various public investigations of dodgy sites, and most of us have not been paid for those - in a world of Linux/Wikipedia/Bellingcat though, I doubt that "professional" has much meaning.
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Most certificates I have seen only cover the shuffling of cards. If u contact sites like itech labs they will tell you that they have never tested any game play on any site. They have only tested for the shuffle of the cards. So anything after shuffle has not been tested
Sure. I imagine that's true as it applies to tests by GLI - but I imagine that the poker sites themselves test a bunch of stuff, and players test it every day by looking at their results.