That is pretty funny coming from a guy so condescending he probably would tell a dying family member to shut it because they're being "whiny".

haha i was going to unsubscribe to this thread but i aint gonna lie, seeing this all star cast of disgraced whiners has me F5'ing

The material is nowhere close to the quality stuff that was in it years ago, so a good one to look up in this thread for instance is AMEC0404 I believe and look at what played out with him long ago when spadebidder did a ton of statistical work for him.

Also, check out this guy's material, and he created the same type of reaction twice. It was great, they even stickied one of his threads in the stats forum, before his eventual banning.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...tally-1706112/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...41/?highlight=


This thread in contrast has become a total snoozefest, which is why I check out the politics forum a few times a week to get my fill of people whining .

lol how can you even look yourself in the mirror being a fully grown man coming into the online poker is rigged thread all teary eyed about politics on some "i know you are but what am i" ****

See, that is the type of personal attack I was talking about that is quite common where you live, so thank you for giving a nice example with only minimal, indirect encouragement. Of course, I never in my wildest dreams would have expected you or someone else to rush in to hurl a personal attack, and it is hard to imagine why you guys need to be "contained" as well .

Anyway, enjoy the links I gave you, as they are genuinely funny, and good luck with the F5ing here, especially when days or even weeks can go by between posts at times.

All the best.

Hey,
I am playing PLO on partypoker since August 2017. I have played there 1,35 million hands, mostly on PLO20O (250k hands on higher stakes). From the beginning I start to notice that this site is insane, I mean huge swings.
Before I have played about 2 millions hand on Pokerstars, mostly on PLO 100 and 200. Everything on stars seemed to me just normal. If you put your swings to variance generator you could see that swings you are facing on stars are normal according to high volume.
When I put there swings on PP, you can see that you shouldnt face that swings in your whole life. You can see everyday the same picture. Fishes who are playing 2-3 tables running insanely hot. Total fish play 1-2 hours, ending with 10-20 BIs profit. Obv at the beginning I thought its juts bad luck, didn't have much hands. But now after 1,35 million hands I can honestly say that its normal on PP. Its happening again and again.
Its not just me, I know from chat, that other regs are complaining all the time. I don't know any reg on PP who isn't under EV. They are running insanely under EV just like me.
It leads me to the speculation. How awesome for poker site can be when the bad players loosing slowly. It means they will play more and more money finally end in rake. Is it hard to do that technically ? I dont think so, you just add some equity to worse hands when you flip.
The purpose of this post is to find more regs and share the experience and share the data from poker tracker. And of course to warn anyone who want to play there, at least think twice.
If you interested I can also share how they treat Diamond club elite players (you have to rake 200k/year). According to their website everything is so shiny and VIP, reality is OBV way different.

Are you suggesting that Party Poker may be rigged against regs?

graphs pls.

This is the exact thing I just posted about in the Ignition forum. Completely agree. Why would they allow great players crush and remove their precious crypto? Why not spread it around and keep it on the site. My mistake was cashing out over $100k over 12 months but cant run up a $5k win regardless of how much I deposit over the last six months. No recourse other than publicity...and they know they'll continue without problem as long as the legit sites are banned in the US. Stay away unless you're mediocre and you may have a chance...

That is exactly my story. First year I was cashing out about 150k, BE with EV. Second year is like nightmare, after 486k hands I am 200 BIs under EV and its not only about this. Insane setups, insane card distribution for fishes. During 3 weeks I loose 40 times with nuts full house against poker, most of them deep stacks against bad players. Same situation, but me with poker - 3 times .
I just ask myself sometimes - what is wrong with me ? You know in PLO, even the worst players in the world should have hot run sometimes, but not me. I am beating the game for years, but I am not able to have hot run for last 500k hands.

graphs pls.

Why are prominent websites like Cardplayer continuing to support clear scam sites like Ignition? A simple youtube search on "ignition poker rigged" yields many many more of the same suspicions with video evidence. I take full personal responsibility for being naive the last six months thinking I was on a variance related downswing but now it's clear. The problem is each individual who figures this out gets upset, posts one thing then forgets and the site continues to steal from new people 24/7. Can we please get Joey Ingram or Doug Polk to make a video exposing this? This needs to be exposed on a grand scale. I will do my best.

It is almost as if the world does not stop and panic over some paranoid youtube videos or screaming by a couple of (what a coincidence both show up at the same time...) low post randos yelling on the internet.

Yes, the rest of us sheeple will never fully appreciate the power of your words, but somehow we will carry on nevertheless, but to help let me give you some more video resources since you are into youtube

Original Youtube riggie:: (he eventually came out and said he was acting in a lot of his videos to get fans/clicks but don't let that concern you):

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612/videos?view=0


A different youtube video riggies like quite a bit (and it features a much better accent)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tv-1rBJeY


My review of that video that riggies will like less (so they can selectively ignore)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=56626


A youtube video which proves Lizard People control poker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-MkGr_GkCY




All the best.

Lol, robersdee is also a flatearther, ends any discussion they have.

Dumb people provide so much comedy; we should all be thankful for them.

I think you dont understand. Ok, I am going to explain again. I want to start constructive discussion. That means regs sharing the huge database from PT or HEM. I didn't ask for some sensation looking videos. I would be happy if I see here many regs with million+ hands running BE with EV or beating EV. Then I would believe that I have extremely unlucky half year. Then I can put whole my energy to the grind, thats what I wish the most.

Ignore these defenders who are worried about losing affiliate or rake back or whatever they have going on...here are a couple that highlight at lower stakes what I have been experiencing at higher PLO stakes, but not always as obvious. One example I clearly remember was a player folding and folding and then deciding to cold call 3 bet in small blind with 226J rainbow and hitting set to crack whatever hand I had...WHAT HANDS ARE THEY FOLDING??? I have been told my hand histories are on the way...can't wait to show more examples. Of course I win a pot from time to time against non super-users but stack would disappear within a few hands thanks to a cooler against super-user. Over and over for 6 months...Enough of this BS...One final thought...when I was winning consistently and withdrawing, bitcoin was on its way up from 3k to 20k so was no problem for them to let players win. Now, not so much...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGaph8dZjUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpp4Z3UhqE4

I appreciate that you believe you are presenting something new and exciting, but the reality is that you are simply version 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 or who knows the count of a person who stopped beating the games that wants to believe that sinister forces are why that happened. Sorry, but you were not the target of a rig, regardless of how important you are to yourself.

As to sharing hands, well that kind of violates the terms of many rooms, and some players have been banned for doing just that or buying hands (that were available in lots of millions or tens of millions). Interesting that despite all of the people who have bought or shared all those hands - nobody seems to have definitively proven your concern, but I know that will not have any impact on you, so my suggestion would be go to the software forums and ask people to run specific tests on their database to confirm whatever specific theory you may have, and I would strongly suggest leaving out the "wah wah it is rigged against me because I am not winning any more" context when doing this.

Alternatively you can try to have a constructive conversation with fellow riggies like the guy who posted between us here. He believes in his rig, whatever it is, as much as you do in yours and he even provided more youtube videos as "proof!" Additionally, posting videos of lower stakes proves that he plays and used to beat higher stakes. Welcome to riggie logic.

All the best.

486k hands on PLO200, 90k rake
https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019...8b693-full.png

I appreciate your concern about my game. I can assure you that I am very confident about my game. I am facing big ****run, 200 BIs under EV, insane setups, but still I am little plus for that ****ty period.
I see it makes you feel good to compare me with the guys you mentioned in every message. That guys I never mentioned. Its probably like candy for your huge ego.
Anyway thanks for the information , some of them are useful.

PEACE

This may shock you, but I do very little vetting of dudes with 5 posts, but I appreciate you think you are different than all the rest, even though they post youtube videos and you post hard to see/read graphs of a carefully selected data set.

Create a specific theory you think is happening and then test for it with your full database of hands (not cherry picked downswings) and ask other regs to do the same. See if magic happens in terms of proof, or when that magic does not happen (which it certainly will not), you can reluctantly recognize that other forces are involved (variance, games changing, tilting etc.). Other choice is create a think tank with that other riggie with 5 posts who claims to play and win as much as you do, and posts small stakes youtube videos as proof of something. At least together you guys will have double digit posts lifetime, so that can only help your cause.

All the best.

You are right. Its shocking for me that you are talking with me and not to my "fellows". You look so enthusiastic. I just wonder why ? In your eyes I am just ****ty player who are facing first downswing and cry.
Sorry about that picture, I dont use this technology anymore. I ask my mum how to make it readable.
Still feeling you dont believe me much about my profit and number of hand etc. Lest make a bet then.? If you agree, you choose for how much. Then I will prove everything by poker tracker, PP cash-outs etc.

Standa,
Monteroy is a troll who thinks a person's worth is measured by post count...my only goal is to expose the fraud being perpetrated by Ignition...no need to defend or respond to his feeble attempts to discredit. If it were only me noticing weird stuff at a site that is completely anonymous, with no ability to chat, and no way to track potential super-users outside of single sessions, I would stay quiet, but there's a definite trend of plausible suspicion.

The more I think about it the more I kick myself for being so stupid to trust it.

Standa seems to be ignoring you for some reason, so perhaps you should send him some PMs to collaborate (if you can send PMs) your efforts.

You are a dude with a handful of posts whining about a personalized rig in a thread that has been around for over a decade and featured many who also thought they were a victim of a rig. Also, some people think the sites are rigged against regs. Others think the sites are rigged for regs.

I gave you some genuine suggestions, which people in your situation tend to ignore (and I usually give them to see how they will ignore them) as they opt for the zing style comeback. Will yours chart new ground? Sadly, not so much.

Ask her to join you in the basement to give you some poker coaching. Certainly cannot hurt your recent results.


Riggie with a prop bet offer. Never seen that before...

Create a rig theory, and ask your mum how to check for it with your database software then ask your poker buddies and their mums to test theirs and see if you can be the first person to actually prove something. Guess which side of that proof prop bet I am taking...

All the best.

The Thread's "Is Online Poker Rigged" question has been around since 2006.

Can one of the Mods post a fresh poll please?

I would be very interested in seeing if the results still hold in the 2019 poker ecosystem, or has opinion changed vastly from the compiled votes taken over a 13 year period. (Yes 35%, No 56%, Undecided 9%)

Why? The poll has zero value, other than for entertainment purposes. It's in no way scientific - it's simply a poll of people who read this forum and are interested or amused enough by this topic to bother reading this thread, and it's not even a valid sample of those people since there may be a bias as to who would bother to vote.

All that said, there is no way to "post a fresh poll" in an existing thread that I know of. And if it's possible, it would wipe out the results of the existing poll.

You could probably learn how the results have changed over time (if they have at all) by doing a search of the thread for posts about the poll - others have posted about the numbers in the past.