Play if you enjoy it. If you hate poker (kind of seems you do) then stop playing it. You simply do not have what it takes to succeed at it in terms of expectation of money, but you can have fun if you actually enjoy it. Lots of people do that.

With regard to your friend the, heh, "roulette pro," unless he found a way to cheat without any of the casinos knowing it, he is lying about winning all the time, and long term he has basically 0% chance of winning if he keeps playing as much as you say. The fact you believe his tales is not surprising, but that is all they are, and I doubt he found a new way to cheat the casinos (only way to win long term). Some have done that for a while, there was a group who did a clever variant of a scam by having a 5K chip under some $5 chips and acting drunk if they lost (knocked the chips over, palmed the 5K chip tipped $20 as an apology while standing back if they won. The casinos knew something was wrong but they got away with it because it was the opposite of what the casinos looked for at that time when con people generally tried to add chips to a winning bet).

Anyway, I doubt your friend is as clever. Shame you believe people like that so easily, though riggies have always been easy marks in that way. You should quit all forms of gambling.

All the best.

Monteroy, do you refute the idea that some people are lucky in most aspects of their lives till they die? What are the chances of winning multiple lotto jackpots? yet some did it. If you heard that from someone you would start using your math and say it could happen in a billion of years but because a lifetime is average 80 years therefore it will never happen. Or the dude is running some kind of scam, tipping the number picker to put more balls with his numbers then set the bowl on fire.

What are the chances of a man winning close to every single game of luck he will play. If the odds are higher than 0 then it's possible for that man to exist. That means there will be a spectrum and many more net winners, maybe they played 3 games or 300k games are overcame the odds. What are the chances of most of them to have a circle of friends, relatives and colleagues? I'd say pretty high, but you wouldn't know that given the fact that you live on the internet. And also have trust issues maybe because you are a nasty person, can't stand others and use to be dishonest yourself. So probably home schooled and lonely, not much real life experience, not many absurd coincidences observed and judging my ability to see through bullshet on a forum. What the hell are you anyway?

I'd say there are close to no chances that you were the one spermathozoid who won the race.
Therefore you don't exist, don't try to convince me you do.

You seem to be getting really worked about this.

I also find the story about your friend extremely unlikely. I won't go as far as impossible, but I probably should. You bring up multiple-time lotto winners to prove the point that the seemingly impossible can happen. Well, I don't think that kind of thing has happened often - the few times it does, it gets talked about a lot. And what kind of lottos did they win? How often did they play? These are important facts that could change something from being a one in a million to a one in a billion shot. Either way, a player that constantly wins at roulette could be an even longer shot. Quite likely your friend (or you) is lying or exaggerating, but it's hard to say for certain without knowing all the details.

The thing is, you used the example of him to prove some kind of point about how one can win at any game. You kind of dismissed an earlier point made about 10-30% of poker players being net winners overall, saying about roulette players: "There must be a precentage of them that are net winners." And you're right, there absolutely will be a percentage that are net winners. But if you think it's anything close to 10-30%, you're deluded. I'd suggest the number will be well below 1%. Maybe there are enough people who made a few bets one night and never played again to push it a little higher, but nothing close to double digits. I don't know if you really stopped to think what 10-30% means. That would be hundreds of thousands of poker players that are net winners. Hundreds, if not thousands, of players on our forums that win year after year, and some over much larger sample sizes than any winner at the roulette table is likely to have - whatever you might like to believe, more than luck or rigging is involved.

That video is not proof that BOL cheated. It shows a dealer, from a 3rd party company (used by dozens of online casinos), second dealing. That does not constitute proof that BOL instructed them to cheat.

Furthermore, BOL, and really it was the Chico Network itself who contracted with that 3rd party provider, fired them shortly thereafter and replaced them. They released a statement on the matter, I know, because I was chosen to publish it.

Stealing small sums of money from players via "rigging" would be the single most idiotic thing an online casino could do. The risk vs reward simply isn't there.

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Yes it is. Why have so many closed and stiffed players in the past? They had a license to print money but decided to take a big short term payout instead.

How many hands of blackjack would you need to record to detect whether the casino increased its edge by 1%? And how would you know if they only increase their edge 1% when you increase your bet size substantially? And how many players would do this?

Degenerates are still going to be degenerates.

lol. That's me. I hit a penny slot jackpot that put me net positive lifetime for slots and I'm never touching one again. When I tell people I'm a winner at slots I do so as a *joke* knowing that there are overwhelming odds that in the long run I'd lose it all back and more if I didn't artificially curtail the repeated trials that would exact their inexorable toll.

This is Pokerstars in one picture. I honestly can't remember last time since my aces won more than the blinds. Everybody was all in preflop.
https://imgur.com/a/0ANA5i4
I had this guy labeled and notes suggesting that he is a big donk, more I have already witnessed him making bad plays at the current table.
https://pokerprolabs.com/jackdeuce81...stars/2018/any
This is how his progress looks like, up and down. No matter how bad he plays he will be rewarded at some point just to keep him alive in the grinding machine to bust decent players and create rake.
Next time aces win the smallest pot because everybody folds and stats look perfect. You get the idea?

The rule of big numbers they say. You can flip a coin and the odds will come closer to 50%-50% over more flips.
Small sample is not enough, you can lose 50 in a row. Big sample of 100k looks close to perfect, but it doesn't matter that you lost 50k in a row and won 50k in a row. It doesn't matter that you won close to nothing 9 times and lost everything 10th time.
So they will use that excuse endlessly.
Pokerstars is committing the perfect crime everyday under your eyes!

[ ] Understands how statistics work
[x] Makes up bogus claims about samples anyway

I know that ignorance is bliss but aren't there times that you wish you were a little bit (much much much) smarter than you are?

By the way, you have to be the biggest moron on Earth to "know" Pokerstars is rigged and still play. If what you said was even 1% true, anyone with a clue would immediately stop playing there.

This is my #1 question for most riggies.

You may also be a gambling addict, which also explains continuing to play on a purportedly rigged site.

This site is unbelievably rigged. Guys at 10/20 NL can see hole cards or even future cards.
Incredible plays they make. And when I've got a nutted hand, the whole table auto-folds.
I *never* win at showdown. Criticize my play all you like, but even fish will win at showdown sometimes.

You have to be crazy to play there. They have had all sorts of hacking scandals, it's not at all hard to imagine the top tables are filled with hackers.

If you want to share your rigged anecdotes, this is the thread you're looking for:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dition-255990/

Really? News to me; I'm sure I'm not the only one who would appreciate some links.



I've never been good at speaking in odds, but his math seems bang on to me, and pretty easy to follow. 3 bets at $50, each pays out $75 ($25 in profit). He puts out $150 (3 x 50), and gets back $150 (2 x 75). Or, the way he worded it also works - two bets show a $25 profit ($50 total), and one shows a $50 loss. Either way you approach it, he breaks even.

The only thing I'm confused about, is why he asked the question in the first place, since he seems to have the math down just fine.

If you're going to say stuff like this around here you need to show proof, but you can't and you wouldn't be able to.

I told you 100 posts ago what your problem was and instead of listening to what I said you're back in here spewing unsubstantiated nonsense.

I've made my way from 2NL to 500NL on this network with less than $10 in my account at one point. How do you imagine that's possible if it's rigged?

What hacking scandals? I'd love a link.


I don't think you can change it on any one site on the network. If you only have an account at one of the sites then you may be able to create an account on a different site. Definitely talk to customer support before doing it though. Save the conversation so that you have proof if you're ever questioned about the other account.


100% to your first point and if you're just handing out free high stakes strategy advice then where do I sign up?

I don't know but something about Pokerstars is really fishy.

You can not really play a serious game of poker on this site anymore.
It is just way to chaotic to play a "normal" game of poker,
it's one crazy session followed by another crazy session.
The amount of sick hands, variance and coolers is just insane.
It is not that I am just at the "receiving end" of it, but it kind of ruins the game because it is so wild.

And yet you keep playing. If PS really did something to their games they sure as hell must be laughing their asses off that even when the suckers know it's rigged they just keep depositing their money.

I see it basically as gambling like blackjack, slots or roulette.
Something you play on the side if you get bored.
You can not play serious money there in my opinion.
I put in maybe 10 $ and if I reach the 100 $ I cash it out again if not I don't care.

So far it has been a 1 to 2 or 1 to 3 out come on the low end.
but it's not something where you can build a bankroll and move up.
It's just to unstable and you need that hot streak.

This sounds a lot like poker to me. What exactly is the rig they are running?

It never ceases to amuse me that riggies will complain about being replied to too quickly and will also complain that no one has yet replied to their brilliant takes.

[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;54748055]If you want to share your rigged anecdotes, this is the thread you're looking for:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dition-255990/




Really? News to me; I'm sure I'm not the only one who would appreciate some links.

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Wow, you're so naive. First you think casinos have no incentive to rig their casinos just because they're already getting the best of it. Dumbest thing I had heard in weeks. And I provided proof they've already done it. There's no way to prove it without massive amounts of data, so unless you're playing 100,000 hands and your loss rate is substantially higher than it should be, you'd never know. And by that time, if you do know, they've already hammered you so hard it was worth losing you as a customer.

You'd appreciate some links? Wow you haven't heard of google either. Try "betonline account hacked" and see if you get any links.

Do you actually even gamble??

I have significantly more than 100k hands in my database. My conclusion based on that data is is that it's not rigged. It would be impossible to make it from the micro-mid stakes if it was rigged.

If there was any significantly widespread hacking problems then it would have been mentioned in this thread over the last couple of years because some of us play there quite often. My account has never been compromised since 2013 when I first signed up at BetOnline.

You may well be right, but if you were a BOL employee/manager/owner, would you be at those tables? If you have 100k hands at 10/20, then that sounds legit to me.

How are you analyzing the data anyways? What data would you need to see to conclude it was rigged?

Actually, that's not what I said, this is:

And something else I said at the time:

Time to move on from your rigged anecdote derail.

If you're talking about compromised accounts, I wouldn't need Google for that - we have many posts and threads about compromised accounts on numerous poker sites. The reason I asked for links is because that didn't sound like what you were talking about when you said:

I'm not sure how you think compromised accounts work, but it typically has nothing to do with people sitting at tables with you, which is why I thought you meant something else entirely. In fact, I'm still not convinced of what you're talking about, since you don't sound all that clear about it yourself.

When did I say compromised accounts? You're putting words in my mouth, not the other way around.

Do you even gamble? Or are you just a mod or power poster who likes to pretend they know something?

OK, since I don't seem to be understanding you, can you describe exactly what you mean? Because most results you would find when Googling "betonline account hacked" are what I would consider accounts being compromised, so perhaps you can help clear up the misunderstanding.

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