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07-11-2018 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
Fully aware I'm going to sound like one of 'those' but having played online poker for over 10 years getting through probably 50k SNGs in that time, I can't recall ever experiencing the sustained downswings as I have on Unibet, especially with how bad some of the players I face are.
Larger swings against worse opponents is what you should expect, DUCY?

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Originally Posted by DonCheckRaiso
Maybe it is just my bad luck but I get more up and downswings then regular sessions.
What's a "regular session"? Are you picturing a graph like this:
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07-11-2018 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DonCheckRaiso
But for me Pokerstars is just unbeatable above NL5.
Well it requires some skills and the vast majority of players does not beat 5NL on PS. I don't know why people automatically assume they should beat something when that means others have to lose.
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07-11-2018 , 05:04 PM
Those Vpip20/PFR20/WTSD20/WonatSD20/WWSF20 that go on for hours every few days are just to brutal.

Sure I get in return some Vpip20/PFR20/WTSD20/WonatSD75+/WWSF45+ sessions, but that's not worth it.
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07-11-2018 , 07:49 PM
This thread is pretty amazing, it can be summed up as:

Dunning kruger: losing players refusing to admit they suck

Bell curve: people with bad luck not realizing that SOMEONE has to be the unlucky one in poker

Sample size: "I played on site XYZ for x days/months/years and site YXZ that I just changed to is so much better"

Statistical tracking "no I don't have my graph, why would I care about that, it's obviously rigged"

There are so many questions to ask, rigged for who? Why would sites rig it? Are all sites rigging? If they're rigging for bad players, why not just play bad and benefit from the rigging? Basic stuff, but really it can all be explained by IQ distributions, low IQ people will generally need to justify their poor gambling habits (see scratch and wins and lotto tickets) and high IQ people will realize they suck and get better.
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07-11-2018 , 08:20 PM
I am just saying it sucks to play there.
I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
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07-12-2018 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DonCheckRaiso
I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
lol
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The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
And again, no example of such "extreme" variance, just more complaining.

Read this thread about this graph:
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07-12-2018 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DonCheckRaiso
I am just saying it sucks to play there.
I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
Or, you could learn the strategies that work against loose donks and DGAF gamblers.
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07-14-2018 , 08:38 AM
Maybe my enthusiasm got the best of me there.
All I am trying to say is it might be helpful to try out some different providers.
Maybe I just got lucky or Partypoker is just overall a lot softer then Pokerstars, but so far I have less huge swings and less crazy pots then on Pokerstars.
From my experience right Pokerstars is super sick when it comes to that.
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07-14-2018 , 11:42 PM
has this been discussed/debunked?

https://medium.com/@dataminepoker/re...r-adf904952c41
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07-15-2018 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jriiikk
has this been discussed/debunked?

https://medium.com/@dataminepoker/re...r-adf904952c41
why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
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07-15-2018 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
Wow. intelligent answer. Thanks
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07-15-2018 , 01:45 PM
has anyone explained how these sites pick "good" and bad players? when they pick the "good" player why does it give them bad beats? why not just put them in coolers? wouldn't that lead to less people rage quitting?
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07-15-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by killbill13
has anyone explained how these sites pick "good" and bad players? when they pick the "good" player why does it give them bad beats? why not just put them in coolers? wouldn't that lead to less people rage quitting?
As a player u should know about long term things. They create more 50-50 scenarios so the game is more even long term. They don't need to pick a good or bad player. But it favor the bad player more if they can get it in closer to 50%. Cuz with out it the most likely would be getting it in with about. 30-40% chance. Like today I had QQ. Flop was Q75 I bet guy decides to shove.....he has J8. Huh..........yes j8. U read it right j8........yup j8. Turn 9 river 10.
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07-15-2018 , 06:40 PM
Yesterday all in I got QQ. Guy raises I go all in he calls. He has 95 yup u read it right again. Flop AAK pretty good right l? Don't worry. Turn A river A.
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07-15-2018 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yesterday all in I got QQ. Guy raises I go all in he calls. He has 95 yup u read it right again. Flop AAK pretty good right l? Don't worry. Turn A river A.
Do you believe this is never supposed to happen? When do remember the last time this happened to you just like this? Never right? So why is it a surprise it happened once?
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07-15-2018 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Do you believe this is never supposed to happen? When do remember the last time this happened to you just like this? Never right? So why is it a surprise it happened once?
Yes it is supposed to happen once. If i cared enough I could post 20 hands a day like this. That is what I believe is NOT supposed to happen
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07-15-2018 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yes it is supposed to happen once. If i cared enough I could post 20 hands a day like this. That is what I believe is NOT supposed to happen
But you are wrong. And no, they wouldn't be "like this". Quad Aces on the board happens about every 54K rivers seen. So regular players might see 1 every couple years or so. But every hand you play is unique, and you are very unlikely to ever see the same exact cards on the board in the same order in your lifetime. You will rarely ever even see the same five exact cards on the board in any order, as there are over 2.5 million boards (not counting order). So "hands like this" is pretty meaningless.

If what you really meant was, hands where the luck ran against you and you lost a preflop all-in because of the luck of the deal, hell you should see that a lot every day, that's poker. The best you can ever hope for with a preflop all-in is to win about 80% if you only go in with Aces. If you go all in with a reasonable winning range of hands, you should expect to lose between 20% and 40% of the time. It doesn't matter if the board looks unlikely to you sometimes, it will still add up right.

You should quit poker, math is not strong with you.
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07-15-2018 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
As a player u should know about long term things. T.

proceeds to post one hand as proof. ok buddy. but once again why would it give you that bad beat? why not just deal the other guy better hands so you wouldn't think it was rigged? also can you post your ev graph?
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07-15-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
As a player u should know about long term things. They create more 50-50 scenarios so the game is more even long term. They don't need to pick a good or bad player. But it favor the bad player more if they can get it in closer to 50%. Cuz with out it the most likely would be getting it in with about. 30-40% chance. Like today I had QQ. Flop was Q75 I bet guy decides to shove.....he has J8. Huh..........yes j8. U read it right j8........yup j8. Turn 9 river 10.
Have you considered that this 50-50 rig might be in your favor?
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07-16-2018 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jriiikk
has this been discussed/debunked?

https://medium.com/@dataminepoker/re...r-adf904952c41
If it was debunked I would like to see it. The article raises some good points, but they ultimately kill a lot of their credibility at the very end by stating "One poker room that our team tested that is considered to be on of the most secure online poker rooms is America’s Card Room. Below are some of the placements on their landing website that show that they place security far above all other features of their poker room."

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
What does it matter what year it's from? Did you or anyone debunk their analysis somewhere since then?
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07-16-2018 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by killbill13
proceeds to post one hand as proof. ok buddy. but once again why would it give you that bad beat? why not just deal the other guy better hands so you wouldn't think it was rigged? also can you post your ev graph?
It's not giving me a bad beats. It even up the games by doing this. It doesn't favor any one person.even poker is the most profitable thing they can do for poker
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07-16-2018 , 08:16 AM
The next post might actually feature a proper sentence.
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07-16-2018 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cramble
Have you considered that this 50-50 rig might be in your favor?
It is in my favor. It's the same for everyone. Even poker is the goal of all poker rooms. How they accomplish that may differ. Anonymous tables, random seating, no hud use, limiting how many tables you can play etccc. The goal is all the same to keep the games as even as possible. So u doubt they may do something to the deal of the cards to create this also?
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07-16-2018 , 02:41 PM
Guys, I rolled 2 dice earlier and rolled a 10, these dice are obviously rigged to even things out.
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07-16-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
If it was debunked I would like to see it. The article raises some good points, but they ultimately kill a lot of their credibility at the very end by stating "One poker room that our team tested that is considered to be on of the most secure online poker rooms is America’s Card Room. Below are some of the placements on their landing website that show that they place security far above all other features of their poker room."







What does it matter what year it's from? Did you or anyone debunk their analysis somewhere since then?


There is nothing to debunk since there was no actual data ever released of any kind. Nothing except a bunch of stupid screen shots in some article by some nobody to get a bunch of rigtards hyped up and shouting “SEE!!! I knew it!!!” And trying to push ACR as the better site. Of course we all know how much ACR cares about security. The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Seems the article still works for some though several years later.
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