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06-16-2018 , 08:30 PM
Cereus Poker was proven to be crooked. There were superusers who would play the worst hands but win big.

I hope someone will do the same data gathering to prove Global Poker is doing the same. It's amazing how a few players will play much the same way the superusers at Cereus played.

I am not going to go through the effort, but Global cannot possibly be legitimate from what I've seen.
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06-19-2018 , 03:54 PM
monteroy you sad human being, how is life?
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06-19-2018 , 04:48 PM
Rando void riggies are such a weird lot, but to answer your question the easiest thing is to search and show your posts over the past few years or so in this thread, usually when I have not posted in here for some time (this is my first post in nearly a month for instance - or as riggies say - 24/7...) so generally these posts come from you with no context of a recent chat involving me.

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Originally Posted by ouinosino
monteroy hows life going?

cheers

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Originally Posted by ouinosino
monteroy,

lets be honest you are monitoring this thread 24/7. i was absent for quite some time and if i skip through this thread you are in here all over the place. your main focus is this thread, your obsessed with it. please dont try to deny that.

nothing wrong about that, i just find it kind of funny

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monteroy still in here wrestling . good to see you live your life at the fullest
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monteroy, bro, hows it going? your still spending your whole lifetime responding in the riggie thread, sun shining?
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Originally Posted by ouinosino
montorey is the guy with the invisible mode who can prove the unprovable..hes just a sicko

I certainly spend no time obsessing/stalking over strangers on the internet, so using that as a metric - my life is certainly better than yours. I assume I crushed you in some meaningless debate many years ago, my suggestion to you (likely I have made before) is that you get over it already and concentrate on your life, regardless of how meaningful it is.

Anyway, I assume we will see you again in the fall when you obsess about me the next time, and I will have to do another search to see who the hell you are at that time. Whatever. Weird, but its what you have done for years, so guess it is important to you for some reason.

All the best.
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06-19-2018 , 07:32 PM
i see, you are still putting all you got into this thread. good to see
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06-19-2018 , 07:40 PM
Actually, you put a lot more thought and effort in it, given how you must obsess to come back here a few times every year (for multiple years) to talk about me, even though I have zero idea who you are, and you generally post your stalky stuff after I have not posted in here for weeks or longer so your obsession posts have nothing to do with whatever the latest chat is in the thread. From the searches of your stalker stuff, looks like sometimes I replied (like this time) and other times I did not (likely did not even see your posts at the time). Weird stuff. You are a a strange person. I can guess at a random chat you have during the day.

Employee: Can I take your order?
You: Did you see how Monteroy posts in the riggie thread?
Employee: Umm, did you want fries with that?
You: That Monteroy should really get a life


Anyway, I will forget you again by tomorrow. You will apparently think about this every day and come again when you need (maybe after a bad roulette session or something). Kind of sad, but you seem to get energy from that obsessive behavior. No difference to me in the end.

All the best.
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07-08-2018 , 11:09 AM
I am back.
All I can say so far is F... Pokerstars.

Been playing on Partypoker so far for few months now.
The difference so far is just huge.

The boardtextures and the swings on Stars are extreme compared to Partypoker.
Most setups I see on Stars on a daily base occure on Partypoker maybe once or few times a month.
And I am not talking about the winrate, I am sure you can win money on Stars too, but from the aspect of consistency the difference is quiet big.

Sure it could just be my impression and just a random coincidence.
But I don't care at end of the day it happens that's way more important then why it happens.

I just can highly recommend to anybody don't play on pokerstars, go play on one of the smaller sites.
Even a cross the board if you look at people who are building a bankroll, those who play on smaller sites have most of the time better results than those who play on stars.
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07-08-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by straddle_me
Let me settle this debate about ignition. The last 6 months while I was winning ignition was NOT rigged. Then for about a month while I was getting killed it WAS definitely rigged. But after emailing them and explaining I was on to them, they stopped rigging it. Now that I have been crushing it for several weeks it is no longer rigged.



Your Welcome.
Update: Ignition IS rigged again as I have been getting crushed with so many unbelievable bad beats (you can reference my entire sub thread in bad beats forum)the last couple weeks. I have once again emailed tech support and informed them that I can tell when they have RIGGED poker. I'll post again when poker is NOT rigged again so you know when it is safe to continue playing on there.

On the bright side I was teaching ignition a lesson by playing on my BCP account for the first time in 5 years since poker IS rigged on ignition. I started winning immediately and actually won a tournament and I don't really ever play MTT's (Ok slight brag but true story it took 5 hours to win $300 bucks, now I know why I don't play tournaments). So poker on Black Chip Poker definitely is NOT rigged. You should play there until poker is NOT rigged on ignition anymore. I'll let you know when that is.

You're Welcome!
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07-08-2018 , 06:38 PM
THE EARTH IS FLAT
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07-08-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
THE EARTH IS FLAT
Kyrie?
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07-09-2018 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Actually, you put a lot more thought and effort in it, given how you must obsess to come back here a few times every year (for multiple years) to talk about me, even though I have zero idea who you are, and you generally post your stalky stuff after I have not posted in here for weeks or longer so your obsession posts have nothing to do with whatever the latest chat is in the thread. From the searches of your stalker stuff, looks like sometimes I replied (like this time) and other times I did not (likely did not even see your posts at the time). Weird stuff. You are a a strange person. I can guess at a random chat you have during the day.

Employee: Can I take your order?
You: Did you see how Monteroy posts in the riggie thread?
Employee: Umm, did you want fries with that?
You: That Monteroy should really get a life


Anyway, I will forget you again by tomorrow. You will apparently think about this every day and come again when you need (maybe after a bad roulette session or something). Kind of sad, but you seem to get energy from that obsessive behavior. No difference to me in the end.

All the best.

Three certainties in life.

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. Monteroy posting on a page in the riggie thread. 12+ years and going strong (for entertainment purposes of course).
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07-09-2018 , 05:28 AM
Seems if I do a post every few weeks (yeah, I know, that means 24/7 etc) that keeps the weird stalker riggies happy. Not much entertainment value to be had in this thread as new genuine riggies are few and far between, and all that is left are the stalker ones and general whiners. Hooray, a nobody remembers him whiner is back saying Party is fine, but Stars is rigged. He should just sit at the tables with this guy to cancel each other out...

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...igged-1276965/

Anyway, look at your posting history (on this latest account). Literally 350 out of 350 posts whining about something in this industry you continue to stay in making nothing. You are the definition of someone who should quit all forms of poker, and if and when you do so you can join the other stalker riggies who visit but at least they quit poker, knowing that they cannot compete in this industry. Taking french fries orders is the top part of the range of your destiny, just embrace it already.

All the best.
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07-09-2018 , 10:10 AM
They are all rigged. They need them to create the results they need. You or me winning or losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not. Someone has to win and some one has to lose. That has no bearing on if it's rigged or not
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07-09-2018 , 04:25 PM
LOL.
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07-09-2018 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
They are all rigged. They need them to create the results they need. You or me winning or losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not. Someone has to win and some one has to lose. That has no bearing on if it's rigged or not
+1

Edit/addition

You're welcome
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07-09-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
They are all rigged. They need them to create the results they need. You or me winning or losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not. Someone has to win and some one has to lose. That has no bearing on if it's rigged or not
You're right, you losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not.
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07-09-2018 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
You're right, you losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not.
No it does not. Me winning also has nothing to Do with it.
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07-09-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
They are all rigged. They need them to create the results they need. You or me winning or losing has nothing to do with it being rigged or not. Someone has to win and some one has to lose. That has no bearing on if it's rigged or not
So ... they rig the deal so that someone wins and someone loses, but it doesn't matter to them or to the players who wins or who loses? Wouldn't it be simpler for them just to let someone win and someone lose without risking that a player who keeps records proves a rig exists, after all these years of a rig not being proved to exist?
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07-09-2018 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
So ... they rig the deal so that someone wins and someone loses, but it doesn't matter to them or to the players who wins or who loses? Wouldn't it be simpler for them just to let someone win and someone lose without risking that a player who keeps records proves a rig exists, after all these years of a rig not being proved to exist?
How would u prove it?
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07-10-2018 , 02:12 AM
http://https://youtu.be/lzEHL_MqkuA
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
So ... they rig the deal so that someone wins and someone loses, but it doesn't matter to them or to the players who wins or who loses? Wouldn't it be simpler for them just to let someone win and someone lose without risking that a player who keeps records proves a rig exists, after all these years of a rig not being proved to exist?
Pokerstars likely proved how rigs today can exist in today’s climate, but not rigging results long term, having the ability to control when big jackpots go off! And for who! What should be examined is who is the real account holders and beneficiaries of these things. I doubt very much this was totally random with 6 winners going off in a week or ten days and then how many went off for the next 6 months? One year? A minoot fraction... first what needs to be examined is the true capabilities of the back end of the software from a security standpoint and what is actually going on and who has access to this. For example can the fraud prevention dept set up hands to catch cheaters. If so is this being manipulated to influence results in other parts of the game. Abilities that are non disclosured and meant to be used to uphold the integrity of the game could ultimately be used to destroy it!
Lottery type games are the easiest to rig imo and the easiest to get away with it as we have seen accounts with minimum accounts history and hands played were pinging those million dollar spin and goes and disappearing forever...lotteries have been rigged, anything to do with money will corrupt either from the front end (players and casino games, slots) or the back end (super users). Or anywhere in between. It’s human nature to cheat

https://youtu.be/lzEHL_MqkuA

Last edited by *CHOMP; 07-10-2018 at 02:18 AM.
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07-10-2018 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
How would u prove it?
Know your limits, jungmit. Stick to thinking about lovely little kittens.

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07-10-2018 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by *CHOMP
Pokerstars likely proved how rigs today can exist in today’s climate, but not rigging results long term, having the ability to control when big jackpots go off! And for who! What should be examined is who is the real account holders and beneficiaries of these things. I doubt very much this was totally random with 6 winners going off in a week or ten days and then how many went off for the next 6 months? One year? A minoot fraction... first what needs to be examined is the true capabilities of the back end of the software from a security standpoint and what is actually going on and who has access to this. For example can the fraud prevention dept set up hands to catch cheaters. If so is this being manipulated to influence results in other parts of the game. Abilities that are non disclosured and meant to be used to uphold the integrity of the game could ultimately be used to destroy it!
Lottery type games are the easiest to rig imo and the easiest to get away with it as we have seen accounts with minimum accounts history and hands played were pinging those million dollar spin and goes and disappearing forever...lotteries have been rigged, anything to do with money will corrupt either from the front end (players and casino games, slots) or the back end (super users). Or anywhere in between. It’s human nature to cheat

https://youtu.be/lzEHL_MqkuA
If those 6 jackpots had occurred at one per month, or at any other interval, then you would have thought they were as should be? I doubt it. You would have come up with some other idea to fit with your belief that there is a rig; which is yet to be proved by anyone, anywhere, including disgruntled ex-employees.

It's not human nature to cheat. This riggie likely proved that it's riggies' nature to cheat and therefore believe that normal people also cheat:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=84451
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07-10-2018 , 07:34 PM
Any other regulars at party poker who are keeping a track on their bad beat vs getting lucky? I've been sampling data for a while now and the bad beat vs being lucky?

At the end it comes down to if something that is supposed to happen based on the odds happens accurately over large sample of cards. I just want to move away from this software despite decent promos. It feels like they have a system in place to me even at best, by doing mostly everything right.
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07-10-2018 , 10:46 PM
Does anybody honestly think that poker is rigged nowadays? lulu
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07-11-2018 , 11:42 AM
Fully aware I'm going to sound like one of 'those' but having played online poker for over 10 years getting through probably 50k SNGs in that time, I can't recall ever experiencing the sustained downswings as I have on Unibet, especially with how bad some of the players I face are. Obviously I could never prove anything with the sample of a few thousand games on Unibet but sometimes it sure feels like something ain't right.
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07-11-2018 , 12:49 PM
I dont know if its rigged or not.
But for me Pokerstars is just unbeatable above NL5.
Besides the crazy boardtextures the amount of up and downswings is just insane.
Maybe it is just my bad luck but I get more up and downswings then regular sessions.
It is such a rollercoaster ride which makes it absolute unplayable.
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