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11-05-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
It's on the picture in the graph. Do u still have it?

It has to be in my mail box but I remember when you sent it to me that it had no username.

And what does that have to do with the fact that you spew unfounded theories that everyone refutes with arguments and logic and you choose to disregard that ?
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11-06-2017 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
I was surfing for online poker books and in the recommendations of the site, this came up. It's rather new, so give it a little time. In a few months somebody might come up and use it as "proof" for Stars being rigged.

Also, I'm not sure that the guy published this in stores. And if anybody agreed to publish this, I'm not sure how they're not out of business yet.
It was created and published as a free eBook, so I'm sure he never intended to sell it. I just figured he would at least promote it a little on places like this forum to get some attention, after obviously putting a lot of work into it. Somebody should do him a favor and start a discussion thread. I think it will be lively.
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11-06-2017 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
It was created and published as a free eBook, so I'm sure he never intended to sell it. I just figured he would at least promote it a little on places like this forum to get some attention, after obviously putting a lot of work into it. Somebody should do him a favor and start a discussion thread. I think it will be lively.

Should NVG be the most suitable place for it ? I'm guessing the probability forums will bash it quite rapidly.
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11-07-2017 , 02:19 AM
I can safely promise that a thread discussing that article would not be allowed in NVG (those darned NVG mods ).

It would have to be in the Internet Poker forum. And it would be up to the Internet Poker forum mods whether to allow it to be a stand-alone thread or fold it into this thread.
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11-07-2017 , 03:41 AM
That middle school essay really shouldn’t see the light of day outside of this thread!
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11-07-2017 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MeleaB
That middle school essay really shouldn’t see the light of day outside of this thread!
This.

Obviously a thread about a real ebook should be in Books & Publication, but there is absolutely no reason that nonsense would justify a thread in B&P. It's fine being analyzed right here, as it's completely relevant to this thread.

I was assuming NOG was joking, but I just wanted to be sure no one got any silly ideas.
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11-07-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
This.

Obviously a thread about a real ebook should be in Books & Publication, but there is absolutely no reason that nonsense would justify a thread in B&P. It's fine being analyzed right here, as it's completely relevant to this thread.

I was assuming NOG was joking, but I just wanted to be sure no one got any silly ideas.

And I indulged into the joke and if I had opened a thread about that "study" in any forum it would've been as a troll/joke.
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11-21-2017 , 06:04 PM
So after 9 straight winning days it's doomswitch time. Obviously right ??? Making it 20 Bob's for a 3 bet prelfop getting called by ace ten and losing. Playing kings and losing to q4. All the same moronic stuff they do forever and somehow in the cluster of 1,200 hands they have found the luck to suckout about 50 times. Seems random to me. I am after all 15 fish all getting lucky on the same days seems normal to me.
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11-21-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
So after 9 straight winning days it's doomswitch time. Obviously right ??? Making it 20 Bob's for a 3 bet prelfop getting called by ace ten and losing. Playing kings and losing to q4. All the same moronic stuff they do forever and somehow in the cluster of 1,200 hands they have found the luck to suckout about 50 times. Seems random to me. I am after all 15 fish all getting lucky on the same days seems normal to me.
9 to 1 and you are whining again? You should be thanking Saint Cajetan.
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11-21-2017 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
9 to 1 and you are whining again? You should be thanking Saint Cajetan.
Not 9 and 1. 9 and 3. 3 days of the worst suckout u can imagine with no end in sight. This is how the even up the game. Jam aces they call with 55 snap. No matter how u play the hand no matter what the hand is it will not hold up. Miracle it all happens at the same time. Not like 1 bad beat here then 500 normal hands. Nope u get dealt KK and u k ow u are doomed, and u are. U get qq and the flop is t93 we get it all in bingo he has t5.....obv a snap call that turn 5 river 5. Random stuff like that
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11-21-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by theorangeone
Jamming axes is dangerous
This phone has the most ridiculous spell correct ever. Probably created by the same people that wrote ignition pokers rng. Now winning 14bb/100 after 3 awful days.
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11-21-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Now winning 14bb/100 after 3 awful days.
They prolly saw your post and wanted to avoid suspicion by those of us who know from your previous posts that you should be a constantly winning player.
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11-21-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
They prolly saw your post and wanted to avoid suspicion by those of us who know from your previous posts that you should be a constantly winning player.
I except the variance but I don't get how it all hits at the same point. On this site u either can play blind and not lose or u can't win a hand no matter what u do
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11-21-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I except the variance but I don't get how it all hits at the same point. On this site u either can play blind and not lose or u can't win a hand no matter what u do


Jesus randomness doesn’t have a pattern by nature. That’s why you don’t get how it all hits at the same time. CUZ IT DOESN’T FOLLOW ANY PATTERN.

If you accept variance then you must accept the fact the randomness doesn’t follow some pattern and that you could lose the next hand or the next 100 and that each hand is not related to the one before or the one after. Your brain is looking for patterns by nature. It’s what it does.

I know you still won’t get it tho...
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11-21-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by theorangeone
Why do you play for 3 days straight when it is literally impossible to win a hand?
Well someday it will end. Just not what day it is. Day 3? Day 5? Day9? How will I know unless I keep playing?

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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
Jesus randomness doesn’t have a pattern by nature. That’s why you don’t get how it all hits at the same time. CUZ IT DOESN’T FOLLOW ANY PATTERN.

If you accept variance then you must accept the fact the randomness doesn’t follow some pattern and that you could lose the next hand or the next 100 and that each hand is not related to the one before or the one after. Your brain is looking for patterns by nature. It’s what it does.

I know you still won’t get it tho...
Oh i get it. And true randomness does not follow a pattern unfortunately this site does have a pattern. U are either on a heater or u can't win. That is the pattern.

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11-21-2017 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit

Oh i get it. And true randomness does not follow a pattern unfortunately this site does have a pattern. U are either on a heater or u can't win. That is the pattern.
I know man, it's alway heads or tails, easy pattern to spot for sure.
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11-21-2017 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Well someday it will end. Just not what day it is. Day 3? Day 5? Day9? How will I know unless I keep playing?





Oh i get it. And true randomness does not follow a pattern unfortunately this site does have a pattern. U are either on a heater or u can't win. That is the pattern.


No you really don’t get it. You really don’t understand variance or statistics or randomness at all. They even have a name for what you’re recognizing in these games. Please read the wiki below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
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11-22-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I except the variance
Perhaps, but you sure don't accept it, or expect it, or whatever word you really meant and can blame your phone for not posting (you know you're allowed to check over your posts and not accept whatever your phone auto-corrects them to, right?). If you did, you'd have half the posts you do. Probably less.

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Originally Posted by jungmit
Oh i get it.
No, you don't. You've proven that again, and again, and again, and again.
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11-22-2017 , 12:39 AM
Jungmit. If you truly discovered a pattern for the doomswitch/boomswitch theory, then here's what you need to do. Follow me closely, this is important. But it's rather easy to do.

1. Play the smallest stakes possible for whatever amount of period your brain thinks ( sometimes you make people doubt that ) that the doomswitch is activated.

2. Recognize when the doomswitch is over and when the boomswitch starts.

3. Play the highest stakes possible.

4. Repeat the first three steps till infinity.
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11-22-2017 , 10:40 AM
He and other riggies hate money, so they never exploit these simple rigs (that nobody else can detect) for easy money.

Anyway, sounds like the site gave him 9 days of winning to help even things out, and then things got back to normal. He should not be too upset, the site will likely rig it to help his weak game again soon after he loses too much, at least according to his latest made up theory.
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11-22-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
No you really don’t get it. You really don’t understand variance or statistics or randomness at all. They even have a name for what you’re recognizing in these games. Please read the wiki below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
Oh ok. So u are saying when I look at hem2 and see my graph go straight up then then down it's an illusion. Gotcha

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Originally Posted by alex20823
Jungmit. If you truly discovered a pattern for the doomswitch/boomswitch theory, then here's what you need to do. Follow me closely, this is important. But it's rather easy to do.

1. Play the smallest stakes possible for whatever amount of period your brain thinks ( sometimes you make people doubt that ) that the doomswitch is activated.

2. Recognize when the doomswitch is over and when the boomswitch starts.

3. Play the highest stakes possible.

4. Repeat the first three steps till infinity.
I have no discovered a pattern to when it will happen, I just know it happens. Obv if I knew when it was going or happen then it would be awesome.

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11-22-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I have no discovered a pattern to when it will happen, I just know it happens. Obv if I knew when it was going or happen then it would be awesome.

When something is "unrandom", it creates patterns. If such a pattern would exist on a big site, it would've been caught up by now. Not by you, of course.

If you truly believe this theory, collect data. As much hand histories as possible. Then ask people that know math to search for patterns/things that would indicate a rigged deal/non-randomness. Ex: if the odds stay true over a large sample, to see if the big stack always defeats the short stack theory is true etc.

They can all be tested for. And needless to say, people that know more than you about statistics have looked over this over and over again. They found nada. But, be my guest.

At least do something concrete for a change, put the pedal to the metal and do some work regarding your spewy accusations, specially as they can bring you insane amounts of money if they prove out to be true. Either by exploiting the "rig" yourself or by selling the information and blowing them out in the open. And by doing the latter you also forever gain the respect and gratitude of the community
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11-22-2017 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
When something is "unrandom", it creates patterns. If such a pattern would exist on a big site, it would've been caught up by now. Not by you, of course.

If you truly believe this theory, collect data. As much hand histories as possible. Then ask people that know math to search for patterns/things that would indicate a rigged deal/non-randomness. Ex: if the odds stay true over a large sample, to see if the big stack always defeats the short stack theory is true etc.

They can all be tested for. And needless to say, people that know more than you about statistics have looked over this over and over again. They found nada. But, be my guest.

At least do something concrete for a change, put the pedal to the metal and do some work regarding your spewy accusations, specially as they can bring you insane amounts of money if they prove out to be true. Either by exploiting the "rig" yourself or by selling the information and blowing them out in the open. And by doing the latter you also forever gain the respect and gratitude of the community
Not going to happen. I am sure they will tell me sample size is too small....i don't have 14 million hands after all. I am not trying to gain any respect from this community. I would be doing it only for myself.
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11-22-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Oh ok. So u are saying when I look at hem2 and see my graph go straight up then then down it's an illusion. Gotcha


No I’m saying that your brain recognizing any type of pattern is an illusion. The graph going up and then down is just randomness plotted on a graph for you to see.

Maybe you don’t understand the definition of “pattern”? A pattern by nature is predictable. So why are you having so much trouble predicting the patterns of the RNG? And if you can predict the patterns you should stop crying about it and do as others have suggested and exploit it for massive sums of money.

Here is an example of a predictable pattern: 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 - I bet you can guess which number comes next... Maybe not? Lol

It’s really not that hard to understand but I know you have a tough time with simple concepts.
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11-22-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Not going to happen. I am sure they will tell me sample size is too small....i don't have 14 million hands after all. I am not trying to gain any respect from this community. I would be doing it only for myself.
You don't necessarily need millions of hands. It depends on the amount of riggedness going on. The bigger the rig, the less sample size you need. Again, there have been countless of million HH's analysis done, and none show anything wrong. I'm not gonna link you to the spadebidder study again.

Then do it for yourself. If you're so sure there's a rig, then you can prove it. If a rig is so obvious that you can see it with your eyes, then it will definitely get caught by a statistical analysis in no time.
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