The reason posters are responding to you less, or not at all, is because of posts like this - you've asked this question numerous times, and it's been answered numerous times. I guess you don't like the answers you get, because you keep asking.

PokerStars Hand #177105254246: Tournament #2067822209, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2017/10/19 14:46:28 EET [2017/10/19 7:46:28 ET]
Table '2067822209 12' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 2: Hero (8836 in chips)

Seat 5: Pokerstars Bot (10000 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [J J]

Player: folds
Player: folds

Hero: raises 725 to 925

Player: folds
Player: folds

Pokerstars Bot: calls 925

Player: folds
Player: folds
Player: folds

*** FLOP *** [2 6 T]

Hero: bets 7886 and is all-in

Pokerstars Bot: calls 7886


*** TURN *** [2 6 T] [9]
*** RIVER *** [2 6 T 9] [A]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [J J] (a pair of Jacks)
Pokerstars Bot: shows [9 A] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Pokerstars Bot collected 18147 from pot
Hero finished the tournament

They spend a fortune to follow you around in $2 MTTs with over 1,000 entrants. You are that important.

You should post that world class injustice in the proper bad beat forum

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...rags-variance/

where you can get some helpful advice such as learning when to fold rivers, and also to post converted hands in a better manner when you need to whine.

All the best.

Why do u assume they are following him around ? Maybe he just landed at a table with a bot there ?

Why do you assume his belief it is a bot is valid? Why would Stars even have bots that play that badly and then draw attention to the play when they suck out? Makes no sense, but then making sense is rarely a priority to riggies.

Obviously it is just a bad beat vs a donk who got it in bad in a 2 buck tournament and got lucky, but people like him and you need it to be a lot more complex than that, so I went along with his whine based fantasy/delusion. The Stars following him around was based on his delusions, however I realize that was probably too subtle for you, as comprehension is a sworn enemy of yours, so I will keep it simple for you.

That dude is just a whiner. Nothing more. Nothing less. No bots. No rig. Just a hand he whined about after. Even you may understand that statement.

Still, perhaps you should ask him how many hands he needs to prove something is a bot, and then ask him how many times his two pairs goes against trips or something. After you can start a nonsensical thread in the Venues & Commuinities forum that gets locked, as I think that is one of the few forums that has so far escaped your special form of communication.

All the best.

This was the most ridiculous in the last couple of days. The player acted weird, if it's not a bot then something is not right. Obviously bad players are somehow advantaged in here man. That was my all time theory. I understand poker odds and variance but situations like that one make you wonder wtf is going on. That is not even a bad beat, it's....ffs something else.
I never said they were chasing me or anyone, just helping the fish last longer.
If you ask why would they do that you must be mentally challenged.
I am not trolling, I genuinely believe it is rigged in some way. Yes I whined in the past but I'm still playing. I made another good run like many many times before from $25 to $350 and I can't win anymore. When I have AA they either get cracked or everyone folds. Kings, probably should fold them right away, seems they always run into someone else's Aces. If it's going like this I will go bust in a matter of days just like before.
I played all forms of poker on Stars. I have a 8% in $1 and $3 Spins. Stopped for the same reason, every other game I feel like banging my head off the wall.
So I started with Mtts now, made a couple of deep runs and got motivated, then after hours and hours of play you can almost smell the ''RNG'' is cooking something. You flop a set and that thought goes away from you just for a moment till you get crushed on the river.
It's beyond ridiculous what you see playing 4 tables.
What else is funny is that in the late stages when the game becomes push or fold there are so many pocket pair, almost every hand someone goes allin 55 vs JJ.
I love poker man, I have been playing for 3 years online. Even if it's skewed to help the losers I think someone can make a profit. Not as much as it should be tho.
Brilliant people are struggling to make a living playing dozens of tables against the fishiest fish from Brazil and Russia when it shouldn't be the case. I think a lot of them see and know what is going on but regardless of that they choose to play and make any profit instead of going to a ****ty job.

Damn, I never thought I'd say this after so many seasons but Ygritte was right all along. You know nothing, John(ny) Snow.

Fine. Play badly and get advantaged then. Problem solved.


Dude, its a $2 tournament. 2 bucks. Shockingly not everyone puts in years of study to play a 2 buck tournament. It was a bad beat, not a particularly spectacular one as well, as it was the equivalent of the opponent rolling a 6 on a six sided die. Big whoop. Nobody cares.

Then play like a fish and last longer and exploit their system.


You are the one having rage issues over a trivial hand in a 2 buck tournament.

I know. You are someone who has to genuinely whine a lot over a cherry picked beat in a 2 buck tournament. Lots of people like whining, which is why they set up a forum for that, you should post your hands there.

If you keep going busto then you should have the rig benefit you.



The walls do not care.


Wear nose plugs.

Fold flopped sets then.

Good thing you can see if this is valid within Holdem Manager in minutes. Propose your study and do it.

Your situation is simple. You have very , VERY poor emotional control. You whine non stop. You have a huge sense of entitlement based on likely an inaccurate assessment of your own skill. You likely tilt all the time.

Odds are this is just part of your DNA, and as such you will have a very hard time correcting this, but really in the end that is not much of a concern of mine. Your game, such as it is, is hindered by your inability to mentally handle the game itself. No rigs, no massive conspiracies in the nano stake games you play. It aint that complex.

All the best.

I used to tilt a lot in the beginning. Now I just accept how the things work, still think the odds are not fair but it is what it is. Better worse than nothing.

One more thing. This has nothing to do with poker.
I mentioned this before, the Pokerstars roulette will move against you in such an obvious fashion, I think they don't even care if you notice it or not. You can never prove it's rigged and here's why. If you play the lowest stake $0,10 on the 13th loss you need to put $409,6 if you're playing Martingale but that will not even be possible cause the limit is $250 so it can **** you up every single time and you can't do **** about it.
I know, Martingale...dumb thing for degenerates but just to prove a point. A few days ago I was fooling around on another site this way and over 8,5k spins I made a nice profit. It only moved 10 times in a row against me so with a $51,2 bet I recovered all and continued profiting.
While yesterday on stars I tried again for the *****s and giggles. Same story as always, after 3 winning spins it moved 15, yes 15 times in a row against me. Of course I stopped multiplying the bets when I saw that it's happening and even stopped right there. Who knows how many times it would do that.
I can prove that if you are interested.
If you put on red it will come black no matter how many times till you're broke.
If you put on black same will happen.
If you alternate black-red while betting, it will come red-black.

I have a strong feeling the roulette is not fair at all but only obnoxiously rigged in your face so I have a hard time believing the poker is 100% clean.

You still do.


That is simply a variant of tilting.

It's only about your lack of mental fortitude and control. You probably rage like this in all sorts of activities. It's you, not poker.


I am not shocked you play a pure -EV game like roulette and use martingales. Standard degen behavior.

Hint, roulette is rigged without it having to be rigged - you are at a pure disadvantage every bet you make. There is no way to win long term. Stop playing it.


Yeah, it proves something I already said about you. It's you, all you.


Fine, become a professional martingaling roulette player on that other site and see how it goes.


Hello Mr. Degen. I guess try placing a bet on both red and black (different size bets) to disrupt their system or something

Roulette is by definition not fair. You are playing at a strong disadvantage every spin. This is not subject to debate. Every spin you do you are essentially losing expected money.

In the end it is your choice. You definitely should quit all forms of gambling and get help with that, but you will not, and you will keep going busto over and over again in a variety of games, and you will always blame other things (rigs, the weather , whatever) instead of taking responsibility for your own weaknesses (your mental stability & degen tendencies) and actions.

Your brain is rigged against you. Not much more than that.

All the best.

To echo what others have said above, though I guess it cannot be emphasized too much or too often, several successful fields of thought have been developed to help humans make better judgments, inferences, and decisions in the face of murky information.

Statistics
Decision Analysis
Management Science
Statistical Decision Theory
Etc.

Humans make thousands of judgments, inferences, and decisions each and every day. This is what we do. You cannot go through life without doing so. We do not and cannot demand 100% confidence before making those judgments, inferences, and decisions. Literally impossible. We would never be able to get out of bed in the morning.

Statistical decision theory informs us how to make the best judgments, inferences, and decisions when faced with a collection of murky information. Companies hire smart people and pay high-priced consultants a lot of money to help them make judgments, inferences, and decisions.

The argument that you can never have enough data to have total confidence in a statistical inference is totally disingenuous and flies in the face of the thousands of judgments, inferences, and decisions that humans must and do make each and every day with far, far less than 100% confidence.

Bottom line: statistical inference is the best inference humans can make.

@bobo

AP and UB scammers were caught because they acted extremely reckless.
If they would let other people win more and just adjust their stats to other regular winning players no one would suspect anything.
They even send out a mail with the handhistory.
They just got caught because of a combination of incompetence and luck.

What I mean with my comment before is it would be really hard maybe even impossible difficult to distinguish between rigged and just bad luck.

You would also have to analyze it for many different aspects, any change will have a affect.
You could not just look at the overall EV.
Distribution of starting Hands, Boardtexture, Boardtexture compared to specific Players hand, Boardtexture compared to all Hands and so on.
Analyze the entire sample and then also fractions of the sample to avoid methods of compensation.

Then also you have the issue that you most likely wont get a entire sequence.
The number of permutations even in a heads up is quiet large, to make a judgement without seeing at least a certain amount of them is also going to be difficult. You need that to make sure there is no preferred order of them and they are really randomly picked.

It is just to much work and a search for the needle in the haystack.
That is why I mean it is a pointless discussion, nobody will ever take a deep analysis that would be necessary to have certainty.

You will reject the outcome anyways. Like all tards do.

Amazingly every single riggie manages to get what happened with AP/UB wrong, so let me just pop in to say that the UB superusing was definitively proven WITHOUT emailed complete hand histories. The thread that ended up being THE thread that broke the superuser news on UB was posted on January 8, 2008 and less than a day later data had been looked at that showed the superusers were 10-15 SDs above the mean.

The superusing on AP was uncovered in August and September of 2007, and the complete hand histories were posted in October of 2007.

Thats why i wrote even the emails were just the cherry on the top.

The major point is that if they would paid more effort and been careful, they could just checked and adapted their stats to reduce that number and avoid suspicion and/or that way of detection.

What I am also want to stretch out with statistic you will always just have prove to a certain extend.
Lets say you have 99 % certainty you will still be left with 1 %.

You could go and say thats irrelevant, but then check this example.
A DNA-Test has 99,9 % confidence which sounds nice, but then take a city with 1.000.000 people.
There is the 0,1 % equal to 1000 people.

Jeez, you are thick.

Do I have to re-post what I just posted earlier today?

You display absolutely no understanding of any of these issues.

yeah but you have to decide where to draw the line.
No matter what you bring you will always have people who want to up it a notch.
More samples, higher confidence, analyze that criteria too etc.
You never gonna make people happy and it is going to be a endless discussion.

And lets say you make a certain test and have over a sample 99,9 % confidence.
And this is the non plus ultra, the absolute correct thing you are gonna go with.
You still will have statistically a rate of 1 to 1000.
Apply it to 100.000 people there is a good chance that 100 people get a sample that is equivalent to rigged.
Then you will have to argue with those.
"Look at the evaluation its not rigged."
"Look at my sample its totally rigged."

And then while we having this discussion, we are ignoring the fact that there is also a statistical chance to get a sample just by bad luck that is totally equivalent to rigged.
So we already got two ways that lead to the same result.
I mean from a rational standpoint it makes no difference if they would rigged your games or just give you a highly unlikely life-time downswing your could not prove on your results.

It is genuinely amusing to see someone who thinks he knows what he is talking about trying to lecture people who actually know what they are talking about.

DOnCheck, you should mention your multiple degrees again to better make your non plus ultra case before talking about how you smell and see rigs and then give a single hand from memory as proof before hitting the roulette tables with that mathematically powerful martingale strategy. Use all the weapons in your debating arsenal after all.

All the best.

I am not saying it is a bot. U said the site spent millions following him around to win his $2. I said maybe they don't follow anyone, may be u would just be unlucky to sit at a table where they are if they even exist.

Just like u all reject if a person finds something fishy sue to " not having a big enough sample size"?

The other guy did. They he said he was a bad player and the site was helping him. Then the guy talked about roulette.


That is called sarcasm. I realize you do not understand things unless they are very simple and direct, and even then the odds are not always good that you will understand what is said.

So, to be clear, no I am not seriously suggesting that Pokerstars spent millions to chase him for his $2. I said that to show how silly his belief was that bots were essentially stalking him in 2 buck MTTs.

Well, even the guy who was yelling about it being a bot gave up on that and moved on to other things, but you probably did not understand that. Now perhaps you do, although again that is hardly a certainty.


Hey, I kept telling him that his sample size of 1 showed that according to your sites even out theory that they must be rigging it for him, and thus he must be a donk. Since a sample size of 1 is enough for you, you must agree with that statement, right? I was just combining what he found fishy along with your latest riggie theory.


All the best.

500k hands??? That lol for a sample size. Proves nothing

Junkit actually made a joke!
He does understand sarcasm after all.

Just so many LOLs in this post.

Did you actually just complain about them lowering the limit to stop your diabolical Martingale strategy in the same post that you suggested they're rigging it so you lose whenever they want you to? Why not just bump the limit up to $1,000 so they can take your money even quicker? Or $10,000? I mean, they apparently control every result, so why do they care about the limit?

Hard to take a guy seriously who thinks that JJ vs A9 hand was at all exceptional and follows it up with a scheme where they're lowering his betting limit so he can't Martingale.

On this part, I'm inclined to agree to a certain extent. A smart super user would indeed to be hard to catch. Of course, the more cautiously one plays it, the poorer the return on the time invested. Because the deal isn't being altered, cheaters could potentially find ways to slip by unnoticed.

Nope.

Completely incorrect.

Unless you were trying to explain why it's pretty much impossible to prove it's not rigged, in which case you'd be correct. So many possible rigging theories to disprove; you'd never satisfy every riggie.

But for all these people that come in hear claiming that X happens too often, or Y doesn't happen enough, it should be quite simple to prove. Yet no one ever does.

Then you'd move to another table of higher bet and get another 15 moves against you in a row. Statistically possible right? I mean it is possible it will move 100 opposed to your, true or not? but why then on the other site, I have the spins history and over 8,5k hands I see only a 10streak and EVERY time I try same scheme at Stars it gives right away 13-15-20 streaks?
Playing the roulette on Stars is like I ask you to bet with me, I will think of a color red or back and you guess. You say red, I say nope, I was thinking of black, you lose.
You can never prove if the roulette is rigged.
I am very aware of the fact that at one point Martingale gets you but it's still fun. I don't nurture grandious dreams like degenerates that I will beat the roulette. Sometimes I allow myself to have fun with 50 bux but at Stars it's not even fun because they are so greedy that they don't let a system that is already unbeatable do it's job, they juice it so it sucks your money asap.

Same with poker, so many theories based on the fact that it doesn't feel right.
You can't prove it's rigged, no matter how many hands or spins or whatever.

At least I can point you to something everybody can see, try and share the experience. The labels and notes on the players are disappearing. I saw two players
in a matter of few hours which I labeled and made notes on appear in a new game without those. Hell I labeled myself and it disappeared on next login, what a joke.
They dissolve tables so often in Mtts now that it looks like Zoom. Everything points to the fact that they actively try to decrease any kind of edge on weak players so they last longer. Monteroy, LAST LONGER, not win. You can probably play exceptionally and make a profit but most of the money is rake.