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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

11-14-2016 , 03:13 AM
monteroy still in here wrestling . good to see you live your life at the fullest
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11-14-2016 , 08:21 AM
Well, I do have about a dozen posts in this thread total in the past 2 months, but I realize that still qualifies as 24/7 to people like you. I have no memory of you, but I assume you were verbally defeated at some earlier point in time, and still have some lasting memories of that, hence the random stalker like visit on your part.

Anyway, your post prior to this one was helping bump some ancient, dead thread to ask a person to post a picture of his mother, so perhaps you have your own idea of what living life to the fullest means. To each their own.

All the best.
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11-14-2016 , 01:44 PM
monteroy,

lets be honest you are monitoring this thread 24/7. i was absent for quite some time and if i skip through this thread you are in here all over the place. your main focus is this thread, your obsessed with it. please dont try to deny that.

nothing wrong about that, i just find it kind of funny
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11-14-2016 , 02:10 PM
Not as funny as the fact that you keep coming back while not having any proper riggie theory though.
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11-14-2016 , 03:37 PM
Some of these guys, whom I have long since forgot about, like to emerge from the void to follow me around in my now infrequent posts to explain to me how obsessed I am. Ironic? Sure, however self awareness was never a requirement for the riggie lifestyle. He probably has done this before over the years - it seems to make him happy. Whatever works for him I guess.
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11-14-2016 , 05:59 PM
what works for me are thai hookers. the real measure of a man is how many thai hookers he's consumed.
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11-15-2016 , 12:22 PM
The moment I was certain that online poker was rigged was when I was contacted to work for one of these companies (one that was scamming everyone and went bust). These guys have a huge, and I mean HUGE datacenter, with more than a thousand servers to run a simple online ecommerce platform and a poker server.

The poker server only receives a few bytes of data per hand, even a million simultaneous hands is just a few megabytes and most part of processing occurs on the poker client. To think that you need a thousand servers to run this is laughable. My complany runs an ecommerce site for more than a million clients and all it takes is about 30 servers in a rack.

So why do they need all this computing power ?? I tell you why, to figure, in real time, a way to put anyone with a winrate on the absolute low end of the variance curve and keep the money raking in the system for as long as possible. Now thats something that yes, requires a lot of computing power ...

Does this mean that online poker in unbeatable ? Not so. It is beatable for a very tiny margin and you have to learn a way to deceive the software in order to do that. Good luck at the tables
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11-15-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Not as funny as the fact that you keep coming back while not having any proper riggie theory though.
You and Monterey do not have a proper Riggie theory either, but yet you keep coming back and back and back.

Pot meet kettle.

Spoiler:
ultimate bet. Russ Hamilton. Full tilt. Super user.lock poker.pokerstars sne program.cake poker
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11-15-2016 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
even a million simultaneous hands is just a few megabytes and most part of processing occurs on the poker client
Without addressing the rest of your post, I just want to point out that none of the game processing occurs on a poker client, it is simply a user interface with no game logic at all. All of the game play for every hand on every table, happens on the server, period. The client just displays and animates the game status and allows you to send your keystrokes or mouseclicks to the server. The servers are doing a great deal more work than all million clients (your example) combined.

This fundamental misunderstanding makes it unlikely you are qualified to run anything in network operations (if that's what you meant).

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 11-15-2016 at 12:50 PM.
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11-15-2016 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
So why do they need all this computing power ?? I tell you why, to figure, in real time, a way to put anyone with a winrate on the absolute low end of the variance curve and keep the money raking in the system for as long as possible. Now thats something that yes, requires a lot of computing power ...
What a super subtle rig! Seems odd that with this knowledge, and with the site you worked for having gone bust, that you won't name names.
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11-15-2016 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
The moment I was certain that online poker was rigged was when I was contacted to work for one of these companies (one that was scamming everyone and went bust). These guys have a huge, and I mean HUGE datacenter, with more than a thousand servers to run a simple online ecommerce platform and a poker server.
Wait, so you didn't just have concerns or doubts raised, but are certain that online poker is rigged because you think they had too many servers - and you don't even know beyond your own speculation what they would be using those servers for?

OK, I'm convinced.
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11-15-2016 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Without addressing the rest of your post, I just want to point out that none of the game processing occurs on a poker client, it is simply a user interface with no game logic at all. All of the game play for every hand on every table, happens on the server, period. The client just displays and animates the game status and allows you to send your keystrokes or mouseclicks to the server. The servers are doing a great deal more work than all million clients (your example) combined.

This fundamental misunderstanding makes it unlikely you are qualified to run anything in network operations (if that's what you meant).
Processing text messages is heavier than animations ?? LOOOOOL I died ...

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What a super subtle rig! Seems odd that with this knowledge, and with the site you worked for having gone bust, that you won't name names.
Well it rhymed with GUILT LOOOL

Last edited by Mike Haven; 11-15-2016 at 08:21 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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11-15-2016 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
Processing text messages is heavier than animations ?? LOOOOOL I died ...
Oh look, more confirmation you're talking out your ass and have no idea how poker software works.

Spoiler:
Animations happen client side
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11-15-2016 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
Oh look, more confirmation you're talking out your ass and have no idea how poker software works.

Spoiler:
Animations happen client side
Animations are WAY WAAAAAAAAAAAY heavier than processing text and that occurs on the client, not on the one thousand server infraestructure ... Thats exactly my point ...
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11-15-2016 , 09:21 PM
muller do your parents allow you to use the PC?
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11-15-2016 , 09:51 PM
I hope whatever they hired you to do was less complicated than simple HEM filters.
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11-16-2016 , 07:16 AM
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I hope whatever they hired you to do was less complicated than simple HEM filters.
Well, if you look closely you will see that HEM cant do what I want ...

You go ahead and mock me all you want. In the end you were the ones claiming processing a few megabytes of text is heavier than graphics ... LOL
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11-16-2016 , 11:14 AM
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You go ahead and mock me all you want
ok
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11-16-2016 , 01:21 PM
Alarming to me that one-third of the most popular poker forum on the Internet for online/live regs think that online poker is rigged. I'm sure this observation has been made before.
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11-16-2016 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilfram
Alarming to me that one-third of the most popular poker forum on the Internet for online/live regs think that online poker is rigged. I'm sure this observation has been made before.
Knowing that at every live table over 50% of people are close to requiring breathing instructions this does not surprise me the slightest.
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11-16-2016 , 02:09 PM
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You go ahead and mock me all you want. In the end you were the ones claiming processing a few megabytes of text is heavier than graphics ... LOL
The graphics are done client side by just reading the HH data sent over. How would they process that on their end? Calling the HH data "a few megabytes of text" is lolworthy on so many levels, the main one being that they obviously use databases to store the information and managing what must be enormous databases takes a tremendous amount of processing power, as anyone with a HEM database of a few hundred thousand hands knows.

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Originally Posted by Wilfram
Alarming to me that one-third of the most popular poker forum on the Internet for online/live regs think that online poker is rigged. I'm sure this observation has been made before.
Along with what Kelvis said, keep in mind that many riggies have voted multiple times in the poll.
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11-16-2016 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilfram
Alarming to me that one-third of the most popular poker forum on the Internet for online/live regs think that online poker is rigged. I'm sure this observation has been made before.
That would be somewhat alarming if true. That one third of accounts who bothered to vote in a rigged containment thread think that online poker is rigged isn't even mildly concerning.
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11-16-2016 , 06:38 PM
This thread is very very fun to read,because it simple doesnt help anybody.From time to time,someone who lost their lunch money come here and complain about how they lost with aa or set or whatever and they should have won..And the interesting part is when the sharks smell the blood and they attack riggies that they dont have a clue.
Poker generates rake and in a period of time,40% of the players are breakeven(best case scenario),55% are net losers and only 5% are making profit over the long curse,because you cannot beat downswing.
You cannot win every time with aa,kk,set,straight etc but make sure you win when it counts

And to refer to the last post..even if 1/3 of the voters said poker is rigged they keep playing no matter what,because there is money to be made
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11-16-2016 , 07:22 PM
I don't think that it's "rigged". But if it is rigged, would you PLEASE toggle the doom switch off of me? I've ran nothing but bad the entire month.
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11-18-2016 , 05:47 PM
ya gotta suck out big with the worst hand. then you'll run better than those vietnominees at a final table.

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