I spoke to a guy once at cigital. I asked I know the sites can't change cards coming off the deck but do they rig it some other way. He said who told u they can't change cards? He said they definitely can change a card, I am not saying they do change them but they have the ability to do it.
That is what he told me.

I saw someone say jungmit could be a moran and a troll. I'm not saying he is one or both, but he definitely could be a moran and/or a troll.

Call cigital and ask them that question. This was a slow like 10 years ago so things could be differnt in how they deal now. The guy I got sent to was Paco Hope. Gl

Probably your buddy bobo. I feel same bout you and your homeboy. Why post stuff like this when you represent 2plus2? This is trolling and you should get 30 points for it just saying.

jungmit

Sites might have the ability to switch off their RNG and deal off the bottom of rigged decks, but as they have never been shown to do so, what difference does it make?

You feel better. Good pointless post.

Incorrect, but I see this has been explained to you already, so I won't bother doing so again,

You're part way there IMO.

There was enough evidence gathered amongst 2+2ers to convince anyone who took the time to go through it. The account information that was sent by accident just made it all the more damning. But as for them still being around with or without that information - I'm not convinced that their demise can even be attributed to the scandal. People (even 2+2ers) kept merrily playing away on the site long after the information came out. I believe Black Friday and general mismanagement were behind Cereus' demise more than anything else.

Why would anyone waste their time with such a call? I have no idea why you did. Of course a site could switch the cards after the fact. What's your point?

I've played millions of hands online and a great deal live. Played long before the MoneyMaker effect when all we had were limit poker rooms at charity casinos in Toronto.

It's clear to me some site are horrendous, clearly full of shyte quite frankly. In my experiences some feel far more realistic than others. 888 seems more legit, win or lose, than say, Pokerstars. Even some sites that are no longer running had a more "realistic" feel more realistic than Pokerstars. I also found Bodog played fairly accurately though I haven't played there in years.

As some have said, it's not possible to prove so it doesn't matter except when referring others where to play while at a live casino or home game. Since PS would never release their codes one has to simply go by instinct besides hand histories, which even in the millions would never suffice. As far as I am concerned, the more they present these "gimmicks" to the poker world, the more they make excuses for their unrandom cards, and the more they illustrate that their target market is the casual, slot player. Since their cards play like a slot machine, it serves to reason.

As it stands, when it comes to the "poker is rigged debate", as far as I am concerned it starts and ends with Pokerstars. I do recall that many years ago there was a study conducted by a government agency in Europe who stated something to the effect that "cards are distributed randomly and are overall divided equally, EXCEPT that winning players would lose the big pots when far ahead". I do not know how they defined a winning player and if I had an interest in this debate I would seek out the research.

You should contact and discuss your theory with this riggie who has the exact opposite belief as yours, as he knows (from watching with his eyes) that 888 is rigged and Pokerstars is not.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=66193


You should have discussions with this riggie who has the opposite beliefs about Bodog, believing only Bodog is rigged

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=80500

or this one who believes Bodog is rigged to promote bad play

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...rigged-869233/


or one can use math by analyzing one's database. Riggies hate math, so instincts is all they provide on the subject. Unfortunately, those instincts often result in conflicting riggie belief structures, as you helped demonstrate.


Many other riggies have completely opposite beliefs.




Every post in this thread is pointless. Amusing, though not surprising, that you needed me to help you begin to understand that. Some people are slow at figuring things out, and part of my job is helping those in need. Welcome to the riggie thread!

All the best.

No, one could provide 100 million hands and you would suggest "it's not enough hands to eliminate variance".

Will Poker Stars release their code? Of course not. Is it the most shilled site? By a country mile. There was a professional player who took down a major score, went online and criticized the unusual number of times he lost large pots when he had his opponent dominated, I.E AK vs Ax. Anyone who comes from the live poker game and plays online is not surprised by the bad play, as this happens live as well, they are surprised by the astounding times a player hits his one or two outer.

As I said, if I had the interest I would seek out the study that was conducted a number of years ago. At the time it was shot down by many online shills so it didn't matter then nor would it matter now. With 100k+ players online at any time, PS doesn't worry either, they aren't losing players. In my opinion, the American government banning online poker was a wise decision to protect their citizens. It would be extremely difficult to even regulate, that's the nature of software being run online.

This^^^^
It's similar to what I posted. The reason is not to fix the game against one player or the other. The motive is having a bunch of big hands running into each other. Straights vs flushes. Sets losing to flushes. Rivers that complete both hands. A-C-T-I-O-N!!

I have had players call All In, hit runner, runner and say "BOOM"

Studies have been done with a billion hands, and depending on the proposed rig - far fewer hands would be needed to prove it, if it was true. Regardless, you are not actually interested in proving anything, so perhaps these riggies are ones you can contact to share in your fear of statistics.





Well, at least you made the effort to combine the unverified ramblings of an unknown dude with the findings of an unknown study. That is a start (as riggies go), and perhaps my help in identifying your associates will lead you to even bigger things in the future.

In the meantime, quit all forms of poker.

All the best.

Links, please?

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-new...op-winner/6801

Jason “JBY” Young then goes on to talk about online players he says are nothing special but run like gods all of the time, while many good live poker pros he knows can’t even buy a break online.

“There is a theme here that cannot be questioned…getting it in with AK or AQ vs Ax and they hit x…every time…getting it in with top 2 against bottom 2, and they hit there bottom pair again?!?! it happened 9 times in the past 2 days…i just checked…Pair over pair forget it…now I have chalked up losing sessions and all that to variance in the past, but someone needs to explain to me how this is even possible.”

One explanination he suggests for his bad beats involve “hot” IP addresses, which act as a lottery and favour particular players. He also mentions falling victim to the infamous ‘cash-out curse’ at various times in the past. For those of you interested in a top poker pro tilting and talking about the perceived injustices of online poker should check out his blog here.

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Edit/MH: "In the meantime its quite refreshing to hear a pro lose his rag and let off steam once in a while, like the rest of us." 7/26/2010

Here is some other sources someone like you will like:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...56&postcount=1

Also, you probably will find these informative.




as well, these resources should be useful:

Youtube riggie:: (be sure to click his advertisements to make him some money):

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612/videos?view=0


A different youtube video riggies like quite a bit (and it features a much better accent)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tv-1rBJeY

A youtube video which proves Lizard People control poker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-MkGr_GkCY



All the best.

Yes, the study of online poker was conducted even earlier than 2010, does this somehow negate their opinions? I only go by memory regarding some of these issues that have been in the public eye from time to time.

I have followed the online phenomenon since 2002. There used to be a site that followed the nosebleed games at Poker Stars then which would post large hands with ridiculous calls for multiple thousands of dollars, with even more ridiculous suckouts. The site owner would make commentary after posting the hands and asking how it is possible, screaming that something was amiss.

The accusations of poker not being on the level go back further than the UB/Absolute scandals this you can be sure of. In my estimation, even when Pokerstar was not the Big Dog on the block, it had always seemed to be the most controversial in regards to their RNG.

You are probably thinking about the "university" study that riggies talked about a long time ago, even though it was not actually affiliated with any university. All it "proved" in the end was that the more people dealt in a hand - the stronger the showdown hand strength. Amazing discovery...

Anyway, I hope all of the resources I provided help you with your riggie journey, whatever your personal riggie beliefs are at any given time.

All the best.

So they rig the games to make less rake? Why?

Wait, wait...they said "BOOM"???

Wow - that is shocking. Simply, shocking. I guess that's all the evidence we need.



Of course they do - I imagine they started with the first online site. How is this significant?

Believe it or not, idiots existed even before online poker.

There were no nosebleeds in 2002, either, btw. I think the biggest games on Stars were still $100/200 limit and maybe $5/10 NL.

Online tonight.
Third hand
Hero AsAc--Slow played
Flop KsQs4s
Turn As gets all in $400 pot $920
River Qc
Hero Aces full!! Third hand in first hand played.














Villan QQ for Quads. just another day at the office.

walk into any casino, happens all the time

Thats shocking.

hah. Yeah, nothing like trapping a guy with nut FH, what was he thinking?

Its unfortunate for you, at one of the local casinos where I live that would qualify for the bad beat jackpot, hasn't been won in 3 months with 5-8 tables full everyday, and it only took you three hands!

this is actual, definitive proof of a rigged deal. Presumably you have the hand history? At last we have proof!

unless of course you're mistaken, and there weren't two Aces of Spades in the deck.

My As error was noticed. Ah, ok. I am done hopefully with this thread. If you play online and don't notice any difference in the hands, then great for you.

hah, very astute! You caught him. Post hand history or it didn't happen.

Regardless, point is, SOME online sites...I simply don't trust.