If you cannot win against the Frenchies, then you probably just suck at poker. And grammar. It's funny though that you yell scam but provide no evidence whatsoever.

Do you want to purchase a tin foil hat? Special offer today: One for the price of two.

A fact is something proven or known. You may wrongly feel you know this "fact" due to the FACT that human memory - as you rightly said - cannot retain enough data - with a few exceptions to this rule - to vaguely prove or disprove this issue.

You then laughably state they always hit except for you when they never hit. A fact I'm sure and one that again PT4 would lie about, as I'm sure it shows you having 130 - at a guess - at showdown, and many more that never made it to showdown.

And I have to assume that if PT4 is on the rig so is HEM2 as well. You should alert the poker world to your discovery immediately in another seperate thread. I mean after all it shouldn't be just us that gets to laugh at you.

You're right Zen. There are trolls on both sides. What program are you using?

Nice spin DonkeyShow. It's a shame that you wasted it on this account, though. Since you have already admitted to just trolling and lying here, you have zero credibility on this account.

Tyvm SquirtsMeatPack, im using holdem manager and i want to check at the 180man games how my aa , kk etc. are performing both after and before big blinds reaches 300

Okay. I don't have HEM2. If you go to their website you'll probably find that they have their own support forum. You can also try the software forum here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/

Sorry that I can't help you directly.

i use hm1 but ill try thanks , i was hoping i would get a quickawnser like donkeytilt semi riggie troll was given and guessed at hm manager foruns it would take longer , im in a state i cant sit at a table paranoid until i at least confirm if im having paranoia plus selective memorie issues , also if theres a chance i could be right i wanted to remind Monteroy about the 10k , Thanks

I'll bet someone in this trashcan uses HeM and can help you. I don't know how the HeM forums work but I can't imagine that it'd take any longer than here. It might be quicker given that you are using an old version. Give it a shot.

You are right not to play while feeling paranoid. It'll just lead to misplaying hands because of the monster under the bed. In '02 or '03 I was living in Vegas and playing almost every day. I got the short end of the variance stick for a month or so and found myself walking into the casino dreading the luck I was about to see. Before I had even sat down, I expected bad luck. Clearly this was a bad scenario. I added scared play to my bad luck. It took me a while to get my mental game up to speed. Luckily, it was just in time to see NL games regain popularity .

exactly , but i have the opposite effect , i rageplay and tilt extra fast on this state , also the post game when u start thinking that there might be a real chance of a scam is very destructive because i have a real passion for this game since the day i learned is rules,, having in ure mind that the game u love might be balanced,rigged etc is being horrible it really hurts ure soul , also i used to work on a place where certifications , inspections papers would pass by me all day , doenst help at all knowing that main poker rooms have weak incomplete certifications and lack of real inspections..anyway thanks for the time and good variance at the tables

Yes , party poker was the site that had balloons and streamer come down whenever someone won a pot. I think they actually rigged a hand im my favor during their party poker cruise tournament. They were the best site til they bailed out on the u.s. market.

I've started recording 50 hands each day into wordpad, and saving that onto a seperate USB stick so Stars or 888 can't alter the data while I play (as I'll unplug the USB while logged into the sites). Might take 6 months or so but PT4 is going to be taken to task over this.

I will make a thread. Might be better if others can pool their data afterall.

I'm starting a project which will aim to compile data to see if the 2 major tracking programs are rigged.

It is my opinion that the hand histories stored are the 'true' hand histories for maybe the last couple of months of play (i.e. at the time of writing, September/October/November in your database will be legit). However, after these dates (i.e. from August backwards), PT4/HM2 adjusts the data, so it looks like all the events happened as they statistically should have done. This is done so a rigged RNG on Pokerstars is disguised from the general public.

They achieve this because no one can remember hands played months ago. I'm not suggesting every hand is altered - just enough to disguise a rig. For example, flush draws are supposed to hit 35% of the time by the river. On Pokerstars, it's more like 80% of the time, but PT4 and HM2 adjust the data to make it look like 35%.

To prove this rig, I am saving 50 hands from each of my sessions into a word processing document, then saving said document onto a USB stick. Pokerstars can control the software on your computer while you're logged into the site, so the USB stick is essential, to prevent them from altering the proof as you make sure the USB is not plugged into your computer while you play on Stars.

However it will be much easier to prove something funny is going on if I have other people do this also, so we can pool our data and get a much larger sample size concerning this matter.

So, for the next 6 months, I would like volunteers to save 50 random hands from each of their sessions and put them on a USB stick. In 6 months time we will review said hands and prove that what is saved onto the USB is not the same as what appears on PT4/HM2, and it will be proven we were all right about there been too many flush draws that hit, and too many Axx flops when we hold KK.

Who's with me?

lol

i don't understand. if you realized this why not just play all suited cards and never fold a flushdraw or just go allin everytime u have one (since u're 80% to win) and make millions?

Bc Stars will obviously figure out hes cracked the code then since they know that he knows they will turn the tables yet again and make him miss all his draws and then once he figures out that they know he knows, hell start playing correctly and then guess what.... BAM turned the tables again.

Second rate troll.

Out of his 1016 posts, 1015 are about online poker being rigged yet none of them contains any evidence whatsoever. It's always good for a laugh though.

They doom switched him for complaining about them. Although, what he was complaining about, was probably the fact that he was running bad so presumably he was already doomswitched for some other reason.

I'm 50% or so below EV, but rather than blame a rig I just accept it for what it is. I'm being punished for being a bad person in life.

Why don't you just send all of us your HH as it is at the minute, if the game is rigged against you, we'll be able to verify it for you!

Because that could reveal his super secret patented method for winning at poker!!!

Except he doesn't win at poker so...

Gone too far. Banned. Not welcome back.

ROFL.

If only there were a way to establish whether hand history files were being tampered with ...

Since there clearly could be no way to do such a fantastically complicated thing, I suppose that donkey's wordprocessor and USB stick scheme is our last best hope.

I for one am glad that all of donkey's brainpower has been applied to this. It shows what can be done, even by those less fortunate.

funny how many people really believe that a billion dollar island online gambling market is legit here shaking my head all the time