I've played close to 120k hands on 888. And while there's definitely been downswings (I hit a 10 buyin downswing at 10nl at one point, and in my first 20nl shot I dropped all 5 buyins in the first 500 hands while getting the money in good 4 times out of those 5 and running trips top kicker into a full house the 5th time) I've never felt like the cards favoured specific players, or certain board runouts happened more often than they should. But this happens all the time on Jokerstars.

Given how downswings are a function of winrate (i.e. if you have a huge winrate you will have less downswings in terms of number of buyins) you'd expect it to be rather unlikely I'd have any sustained downswing at 2nl, given I crushed 10nl, and am right now a small 5bb/100 winner at 20nl over 20k hands. That would equate, one would expect, into an expected winrate of 10bb/100 or more at the 2nl stakes - meaning that any sort of sustained downswing should be pretty ****ing rare. And yet I lose 7 buyins at 2nl in the first few thousand hands on the site? What the hell? If it had happened at 20nl then yeah it'd suck but it'd be within the realms of what is reasonable given I haven't got a massive sample there yet and only have a small winrate too. At 2nl, it's not reasonable, so it must be rigged over on Stars.

A rig that favours newer players is just a ridiculous idea without any basis in fact though. Why would Stars want to drive their higher raking players away? My theory makes much more sense.

Saying one site is rigged doesn't in any way mean I'll in the end think all sites are rigged. I've never had an issue with any other poker room other than Stars, and I've played 888, Ipoker, Party Poker. Not playing on Full Tilt because they're owned by the same company Stars is.

Translation:

I'm a degen coward moron with a big mouth and no roll. Well done.

Oh yes, there's a very simply explanation: You are the biggest fish on this planet.

Oh, using your idiot logic I am asking myself: How could those higher raking players ever come up this high?

Don't make me decide to come and own you, idiot. I gave you a chance to crawl away with a bit of dignity left. You'd have no chance against me but I've decided not to embarass you.

As for me been a fish - how do you reconcile my results at 10nl and 20nl on another site with my 2nl results on pokerstars?

You have created a personalized rig (at 2NL...), with zero evidence, based on your relatively small sample of lifetime hands, with a theory that would be beyond easy to prove and exploit, and as a bonus it is one that pretty much goes completely opposite to what other riggies believe happen to them. How exactly do you expect your theory to be treated?

Not sure what else you want me to say, that type of paranoia will be a huge problem for you if you ever want poker to be a source of actual income. If you are a casual player playing for fun and the enjoyment of the game then it really does not matter too much to have irrational superstitions.



Feel free to debate that with the vast majority of riggies who believe the opposite when they post that here. Don't ask me to explain riggie logic, most believe in action hands that would make a rig easier to detect and cost the site rake.





The "Merge is not rigged" (then it was rigged) riggie pretty much said the same thing when I suggested he would eventually think it is rigged. You take poker more seriously than most riggies, so perhaps you will find a site and eventually get a reasonable grind on, but the odds are in the end all sites will eventually become rigged to you once you start seeing patterns.

That Merge riggie eventually went to the regulated US sites since they would not be rigged until he found they were all rigged as well. Your mental issue greatly increases the chances you will follow in this fate.

Good luck in that heads up challenge that you initiated, if you ever stop posting lame excuses to not follow through on it.
All the best.

SSS.

Surely this proves once and of all that DonkeyStars is a gimmick troll?

No one over the age of ten would think for a moment that this kind of pathetic weaselling would get any credibility whatsoever.

As for you being a fish, you never gave any proof for your winnings. You never gave your screenname on 888.

But I think Wiki is right, we've fed you far too long.

Good Luck.

20nl isn't really a source of income for anyone unless you grind a truly sick amount of hands in a third world country and/or have an astronomical winrate. Playing 30-40k hands a month with a more standard winrate probably only nets you enough money for a couple of decent nights out each month.

The thing is I don't think I'm been irrational at all here. I know what a bad run feels like - just looking at my lifetime graph I've gone through a 25k breakeven hand stretch at 888poker before, one 10 buyin downswing, and numerous 5 buyin downswings. At no point did I ever feel like I was been screwed by the RNG deliberately. There was no 'pattern' in the villains who sucked out on me, or who had the nuts when I had the second nuts etc. Sometimes I'd lose to a reg, sometimes a fish, sometimes some random unknown guy who left the table 5 hands later. But on Stars there's a pattern. If the villain has a higher VIP status they win a ridiculous number of their hands and always get put in favourable situations. I've observed this and taken notes concerning how many times it's happened.

What someone else in the thread previously said about rigs and their own rigged theories has no relevance here. Again I don't really see how it's possible for me to lose at 2nl on pokerstars without a rig been in place - it's not that I'm amazing, but I've beaten significantly higher stakes on other sites and even if the players on pokerstars are better on average at the same stakes, the 2nl player pool is still going to be laughably bad.

Lifetime graph:

That's the trick with paranoid beliefs - to the paranoid person they seem absolutely true. You are being irrational here believing there is a rig at 2NL that favors higher VIP players that also targets you.

How rational a rig is that that has to work on thousands of tables of always changing players that constantly adapts to the "VIP level." What about people who played a ton but took off a month for the WSOP and come back at chrome star, do they start suddenly having a rig against them when before it was with them? How do they keep the programmers from telling? How has noone else discovered this very simple rig?

You took your relatively small lifetime sample of 2Nl on Stars and you cannot accept that you did not win there, so you are irrationally creating an intricate world to explain it that removes you from any responsibility. Maybe you played badly in those games, maybe those games were different than you are used to, maybe you just ran bad. All of those seem quite a bit more "rational" than your logic, and your method of using logic will only hinder you in the future if you ever want to take poker seriously.


The poker universe is not about you, and while you cannot accept your results at 2NL on stars because of your ego, the fact is they happened, so get on with life already. Stop playing on Stars if it causes such emotional trauma.

Back when I actually did a grind of DoNs years ago there was one month where I ran insane hot in the 20s (like 40% ROI) while barely breaking even in the 10s, and losing (with small volume) in the 5s. These things happen, and in that case I made a couple thousand more than I would have if I ran badly in the 20s and ran hot in the 5s. No rigs were involved.

Be happy you lost at 2NL among the stakes you are playing, and perhaps one day you may look back (for now you do speak quite a bit like a relative newbie) at your thinking here and see how irrational it was.

All the best.

Thnx for the answer. I wasn't attacking you, I asked you because I was wondering. And I wanted to know why you do it. Now I know. And btw I myself don't think poker is rigged.

I've been playing online for 6 years (all the major sites) and using Holdem Manager almost the whole time. Since I started posting negative remarks here about Carbon in recent days, as well as complaining directly to them, I have had the worst 7 day consecutive run in my entire poker career! (I'm not exaggerating). I've been getting it in as a 70%-95% favorite over and over and over again, either preflop or postflop, and have been losing in the most unbelievable ways, literally dozens of times. Before you attack me for these "rigged-like" comments, realize that I've been playing this game for a long time and have an innate feeling for how hands play out, and what sort of "reasonable" decisions opponents will make when facing certain actions based on what cards they hold. I'm having a hard time believing that I've just so happened to hit the worst streak of negative variance in my life, right around the same time I've been calling Merge the piece of sh** that they are.

Yeah that's the Negative Nancy Curse.

Lol not the "Merge is rigged" nonsense. (at least literally rigged)

omg, shhhh.... you're just gonna making it worse.

Are you still going to play there?

I am. And I know it's funny to hear me say what I'm saying. I'd be making jokes too if the shoe were on the other foot. But it's just so ridiculous. Gotten to the point where I stop my girlfriend walking thru the room and tell here to watch the hand I'm about to go all in with, just to see how I lose with AA or KK to some total nonsense or completely dominated hand or how runner runner flushes (4.2% likelihood) will take me out. I'll play there but if this goes on much longer I'll have to reevaluate. Again, I've been doing this for 6 years and what I'm seeing with my own eyes is a little too extreme. Yes I understand standard deviation and variance. Hopefully I can avoid making a tinfoil hat though.

How rigged does your GF think it is?

LOLOL MOntyyyyyyyyy

20-30 hours per year?!? lol you can't even kid yourself into really thinking that that is even close to correct can you?

You have now made up yet another lie of typing 150 words per minute to downplay your addiction to belittling lesser poker players to make yourself feel better.

I missed checking in on this thread to read your bed of lies. Since you're so good at typing and all the linking cool stuff you do. Can you prove anything about yourself? Maybe prove you made $10,000-$25,000 b/c of this thread. Or maybe have a few of your 100+ horses step up and say its true.

Give us something GREAT MONTY!!!!

PLEASE ONE TIME!!!!!!!!

You say you're not just another riggie, and yet you keep saying the same type of stuff every other riggie says (edit: that you can predict when you're going to lose, not that you have a girlfriend. But probably that, too).

You have to have the 7 worst days of your poker life at some point. Is it that hard to believe that it's a coincidence that it happened at some point shortly after you started bashing Merge?

Tropics: I think that you need to take a couple of days off to shake off the bad juju.

Also, I think that your girlfriend might be bad luck, so you might want to lock her outside while you play.

Listen to this man. If i were you I'd take the next weekend off and hit up the beach or pool and soak in some rays. The summer is coming to a close soon, take advantage of it before all of this beautiful weather goes away.

Many old men have played poker for 40 years and will swear they're good, and they've been losing for 40 years.


Obviously you don't if you are saying the things you're saying.

If you play enough poker you will at one point or another run worse than you thought was ever possible. If you havent experienced anything like that than you are just a noob so enjoy the run good while it lasts. There was a time I thought I might not ever have a losing month. Ive been playing for years after all and didnt have one yet. It turned out I was just a noob and a very naive one at that with regards to variance and poker in general.

Congratulations. You're human, and possess pattern-recognition skills.
Unfortunately, there are no patterns in lists of random numbers, and you'll lose your mind trying to make sense of them. Correlation does not imply cause, no matter how much your brain tries to rationalize it. Random numbers aren't rational, ldo.

As others have said, as long a term player you'll go through some brutal phases where you think "This is the absolute WORST run of variance I've ever had".
And then you'll experience an even worse one. The pokergods are cruel. Deal with it.

and how big are her breasts? just saying. this could be important...