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12-31-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
We need a new poll for different sites if rigged or not.. obviously not all sites are rigged or dodgy
Carbon is definitely rigged. Play there and watch how often the miracle hits , under p or rags not to mention the constant runner runner rule that site.
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12-31-2011 , 05:54 PM
^^

Mods or Neil need to get all these rigtard idiots out of this thread.
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12-31-2011 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnet
"shuffle based on photon reflection" how can an adult man buy that nonsense.
I think it's more shufffle based on "how can I let the money circulate best".
I believe in science. http://www.randomnumbers.info/content/Generating.htm (The last bit is the important part, I say that in case I'm right about riggtards not being terribly fond of reading)

Here's what you're saying in simple terms. Lets say we have a milkshake, and a guy is standing next to us with a long straw. We look away for a moment, look back, and can swear that some of our milkshake has been drank. You're basically ignoring the guy with the straw and claiming that the government is secretly stealing your milkshake by planting FBI spies in the ceilings to steal bits of your milkshake. In reality, nothing happened, even the suspicious dude with the straw didn't do anything. But if you were logical, and reasonable, you'd suspect the guy with the straw first.

For what you morons want to be correct to be correct, Malta and their gaming regulation authority must be in on it, along with all other gaming regulation authorities in all other districts that accept the proven science of RNG through the use of photons, and hell maybe you're even going so far as to claim the science itself is fake. It's a conspiracy that goes right to the top, for your $2 buyin.

Now, to go back to the milkshake, it's possible for the dude with the straw to have taken some of your shake. It's possible that someone can see your holecards, incredibly unlikely, but possible. It's not possible that there's some worldwide conspiracy against your $2 dollars. If you want to claim **** is rigged, at least do it in a way that makes sense. Rigged RNG is not possible on a site regulated through any of the bigger gaming regulation authorities.
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12-31-2011 , 06:09 PM
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12-31-2011 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnet
"shuffle based on photon reflection" how can an adult man buy that nonsense.
I think it's more shufffle based on "how can I let the money circulate best".
This. The "RNG" on Everleaf is ridiculous. Anyone that seriously thinks everything is just perfectly random on that network is either kidding themselves or not paying attention. I've spent months now thinking that "getting it in good" would eventually pay off...Umm, no, not on Everleaf. Just as an example, today I got AA twice, both all-in pre in 2 critical tourney spots...first one lost to 4 Jacks, second to 4 Queens. Surprisingly, I did actually flop 5 sets today...unfortunately 4 of them lost set-over-set, and the other to runner-runner flush. No, this is not me cherry picking isolated incidents. This is a typical day every day on that site for me, for about 100 days now. Finally came to my senses this afternoon, moving on to ACR & Lock.

I consider myself an excellent Hold Em player, as I'm sure many of you do. If most of you on Minted are not exceeding your win-rate from other sites, there is something wrong. The opponents are awful, yet from what I seem to hear, most of us make a bit of $, but way less than we should be. That makes no sense, sorry. There is no way an excellent player like myself or others (I've been playing online 6+ years, I've had over 100% MTT ROI on every other site I've played) can lose that badly to players who seemingly aren't even looking at their cards, just clicking away. On one given day? Yes. In a week? Sure, it happens. 100+ days straight, pretty consistently losing despite being a careful player who puts his chips in good? No, that makes no sense...really. If you only played draws on this site vs made hands, I suspect you would do pretty well actually. (Beyond seeing with my own eyes....crunch some numbers, etc. Why are there so many flushes on this site? Why does the hand in the lead change from flop to turn to river such an inordinate percentage of the time?)

In chat on the site, I'm starting to hear more people noticing the same thing. On 2+2, not as much yet, since you get branded an idiot destined for rigtard threads for questioning anything that surely uses proton reflection, blah blah.

I am not saying don't play on this site, that is up to you...maybe you still make a little $ there and are OK with it. I'm not here to bash anyone...But this is not the kind of poker I'm looking for. Neil is a good support person, and everything else on the site (apart for software and trouble getting paid) are OK. They should move to a legitimate network tho, IMO.

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12-31-2011 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mikejfi
Carbon is definitely rigged. Play there and watch how often the miracle hits , under p or rags not to mention the constant runner runner rule that site.
You obviously play at another skin, because if you understood how that network works (clearly you do not), you would realize that Carbon (if they had a choice) would prefer their players win over players on Lock Poker, Black Chip Poker, RPM and other skins.

Why? Because if you win money you can generate more rake for Carbon, but when you lose money to people on other skins Carbon no longer can earn as much from you.

Don't worry, lots of riggies create backwards theories, but now that you know how the network works what you should do is adjust your theory so that it is rigged against Carbon, not by Carbon. Sure, that is equally inane, but at least it has a bit of a financial logic flow, which is at least something (albeit not much).

Also, try to preface your theories with a declaration that you are the main character in the known universe, because that also is pretty much needed for any of your theories to make logical sense.

Hope this helps.

All the best.
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12-31-2011 , 06:17 PM
Can you guys even fathom how hard it is to rig an RNG? You can't, because it's that damn hard. There are easier ways to cheat you. Just think about it, and if you don't come to the same conclusion get back to thinking about it till you figure it out.
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12-31-2011 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
Can you guys even fathom how hard it is to rig an RNG? You can't, because it's that damn hard. There are easier ways to cheat you. Just think about it, and if you don't come to the same conclusion get back to thinking about it till you figure it out.
Does not seem like it would be very hard to me at all.

The more suckouts, the more bad players stay in the game and make rake for the site. Evens things out. Sort of odd that the exact same principle is openly in place with limiting good players winnings vs bad ($750 cap thing)...??

All the RNG testing verifies is that an equal number of each card is dealt initially in the starting hands, as far as I know. After the flop is madness, and if you don't see that, that is OK...you can play there, I am fine with that.

BTW, I've never considered any of the major sites "rigged"...After you play for awhile, things even out and variance dissipates. This site is blatant...Italy would be out of money by now if those players weren't getting a little help...and then where would the rake come from?

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12-31-2011 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
I believe in science. http://www.randomnumbers.info/content/Generating.htm (The last bit is the important part, I say that in case I'm right about riggtards not being terribly fond of reading)

Here's what you're saying in simple terms. Lets say we have a milkshake, and a guy is standing next to us with a long straw. We look away for a moment, look back, and can swear that some of our milkshake has been drank. You're basically ignoring the guy with the straw and claiming that the government is secretly stealing your milkshake by planting FBI spies in the ceilings to steal bits of your milkshake. In reality, nothing happened, even the suspicious dude with the straw didn't do anything. But if you were logical, and reasonable, you'd suspect the guy with the straw first.

For what you morons want to be correct to be correct, Malta and their gaming regulation authority must be in on it, along with all other gaming regulation authorities in all other districts that accept the proven science of RNG through the use of photons, and hell maybe you're even going so far as to claim the science itself is fake. It's a conspiracy that goes right to the top, for your $2 buyin.

Now, to go back to the milkshake, it's possible for the dude with the straw to have taken some of your shake. It's possible that someone can see your holecards, incredibly unlikely, but possible. It's not possible that there's some worldwide conspiracy against your $2 dollars. If you want to claim **** is rigged, at least do it in a way that makes sense. Rigged RNG is not possible on a site regulated through any of the bigger gaming regulation authorities.
The 2$ hurt a little. I have raked more than 10.000 $ for Minted., guess your beloved Neil can confirm. How do the gaming regulation authorities control whether a rng is in use 100% of the time? By the way no need to ban me - this is my lst post.
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12-31-2011 , 06:28 PM
Please stop with the bad beats, they are going to happen, it's poker. Ive lost every way you can imagine.QQ vs A 2 on a 55Q55 board. KK vs K4 on a KA325 board. BTW these happened on PS.
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12-31-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
[ ] rewarded
[x] freeroll
[x] gtfoh rigtard

Morphy
How is this guy in every thread defending the poker sites. Looks like an obv shill to me. That's coming from someone who's won a lot off bovada since the switch
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12-31-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
How is this guy in every thread defending the poker sites. Looks like an obv shill to me. That's coming from someone who's won a lot off bovada since the switch
LOL, where have I defended Bovada? Can you even read? I've been one of the biggest bashers of Bodog/Bovada since the security flaw came out. If you think I'm a shill, you can't read. It's that simple.

Morphy
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12-31-2011 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
LOL, where have I defended Bovada? Can you even read? I've been one of the biggest bashers of Bodog/Bovada since the security flaw came out. If you think I'm a shill, you can't read. It's that simple.

Morphy
Who has the time to respond to a message board post 3 minutes after someone says something about them?? #toomuchtimeonyourhands
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12-31-2011 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Who has the time to respond to a message board post 3 minutes after someone says something about them?? #toomuchtimeonyourhands
LOLOLOL, did you just respond to him 3 mins after he responded to you? A+ irony.

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12-31-2011 , 07:01 PM
Today is set up day. Do not play against the Italians. You will not win. I repeat: do not play against the Italians. They will beat you 5 out of 6 hands. You have no chance today. Today is get $ back from Americans day. Try back tomorrow maybe.
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12-31-2011 , 07:07 PM
Weather it makes a difference or not, I've always hated the continuous shuffle. I hate it because I feel it gives me, or some other force, some say in what card comes and when you are on an epic downswing of proportions you've not seen even 10% of in 20 years, it's just another little thing that makes you sigh...

I'd much rather have the deck be set after it's been shuffled like Stars does. That way at least there's no question and if you were doomed to lose the huge fav, you were doomed to lose it. FTP had the continuous shuffle as well, and the last 9 months there are when this 14 monster started Although I did play 3 months with a set deck at live, and it was just as bad so obv I'm not saying it matters, but it does seem unnecessary to me.

Back in the day there was a few card rooms that allowed the deck to be cut (a second time before the flop) for a $1. Obv it's a suckers option, as cards don't know where they are, but it did at least add to the pot and that I didn't mind. People would think they cut their set if they hit one or "you cut your own throat" if they lost to a bad beat.

I've just not understood why some sites use the continuous shuffle but I've heard there's arguments that say it makes it more secure or something though. All I know is Stars doesn't and I haven't seen any backlash for them not, so I wish all sites used a set deck after the shuffle. Right wrong or indifferent it's one less thing to ponder when you are asking your self why me, why so long, etc etc.
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12-31-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Who has the time to respond to a message board post 3 minutes after someone says something about them?? #toomuchtimeonyourhands
You.

Morphy

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12-31-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by trangers
LOLOLOL, did you just respond to him 3 mins after he responded to you? A+ irony.
The point was I responded to a post he wrote hours ago. He the responded back in 3 minutes. Obviously I was still reading the thread 3 minutes later and responded. Nice try though shills. Funny how you're another name always defending the sites and now you're defending the other guy doing it. Shills stick together I guess.
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12-31-2011 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
The point was I responded to a post he wrote hours ago. He the responded back in 3 minutes. Obviously I was still reading the thread 3 minutes later and responded. Nice try though shills. Funny how you're another name always defending the sites and now you're defending the other guy doing it. Shills stick together I guess.
I'd rather be a so called shill sticking together than a halfwit rigtard. OMGMYAALOSTTWICETHISYEARIFYOUDONTAGREEYOUREASHILL! !!!!!!

Morphy
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12-31-2011 , 07:24 PM
Like I said I'm up a ton before and after the switch. Never agreed with any rigging. Just notice your shilling. You done yet?
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12-31-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Like I said I'm up a ton before and after the switch. Never agreed with any rigging. Just notice your shilling. You done yet?
I've never shilled. Feel free to find a link to a post where I've shilled. Hint: me calling you a rigtard isn't it.

Morphy
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12-31-2011 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
^^^ Edited highlights of a great post; a refreshing take on the situation, that seems to ring true with everything I've so far experienced.
The one thing we have experienced is the poker industry having the means to prove poker is not rigged, but for what ever reason they lack the will.
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12-31-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
The one thing we have experienced is the poker industry having the means to prove poker is not rigged, but for what ever reason they lack the will.
Do you understand what burden of proof actually means?

Prove that you have never stolen anything.
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12-31-2011 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
The point was I responded to a post he wrote hours ago. He the responded back in 3 minutes. Obviously I was still reading the thread 3 minutes later and responded. Nice try though shills. Funny how you're another name always defending the sites and now you're defending the other guy doing it. Shills stick together I guess.
So it was unintentionally ironic? Still funny.

What sites have I defended?

Funny that you criticize Bodog, yet you still play there all the time. Puppet.
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12-31-2011 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SCS
Do you understand what burden of proof actually means?

Prove that you have never stolen anything.
Thank you! That gets the point across with no real harm.
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