I've seen GG's breakdown given to my affiliate with exactly how much he made on my play and it was 0%.

The point is that all those numbers of 35-40% of rakeback you see are not true for winning players due to PVI.

No affiliate has any control over the PVI number GG assigns to you.

Again, my sample was only slightly over 10k hands and I prob would have gotten some RB eventually. But since I got 0% on the several hundred I paid in rake it's obvious that the percentage of RB was never going to be that high, so my effective rake would still have been pretty high.

Because of that and other factors that make me not want to support this network I stopped playing there.

(I believe PVI also affects how quickly you collect spin points since their last fish buffet tweak)

You dont have fish buffet spins?

everyone has access to fish buffet.
Affiliates can offer something on top.
since recent releases , the amount of rakeback fish points you accumulate depends on PVI.
The probability of fish spins is same for all ( as far as they say )

I did but they didn't amount to much and barely reduced my effective rake. I also didn't play enough to reach the highest status.

As poster above has mentioned - before the changes the amount you win from each spin depended on how you did at the tables. Now the EV of each spin is same for everyone but it depends on your PVI how fast you accumulate points for the spins.

Confirmed with Natural8 that R&C rake is included in deposit bonus releases

Did you spin anything? How much % did you get per spin avg?

Holy ****, I played about 8k hands of rush since their promo started, and about 7k hands of PLO from Feb 1 to Feb 3rd.

PLO was at 0.5/1 and rush at 0.25/0.5, ran like death, down about -100 overall profits according to pokercraft (about 500 under ev), and I'm down like 750 overall, and that's with spins and a 100$ instant bonus upon depositing.

This rake is insane, reminds me of ongame. Back when they ran the summer promos for like 3-4 months and a lot of people were grinding that, particularly husngs and hypers. RB came out like at 110-120% if you were toward the top of the leaderboards, but you could easily go down 50k+ if you were grinding 200s and 500s.

In any case, does anyone feel like there is something seriously shady about this site?

Redflag 1, there is no way the fish buffet spins work at the advertised frequency, I'm only hitting the middle to bottom ones, so far. Not any significant sample size, but some online searches show that it's the case for a lot of people. Seems seriously shady to lie about frequencies. There is also no way rush and cash cash drops are anywhere near 50 to 65% rb as claimed.

Redflag 2, it seems a lot of spots are cooler situations one way or the other. Not in anyone's favor but a bit like to encourage betting or action so there are bigger pots and they can rake huge. No evidence for this, but just an overall first impression. Everything about this site seems to be about getting stacks in the middle, often, so there can be huge rake generated.

Redflag 3, a lot of past threads with reports of people having funds frozen for weird reasons and other suspicious activity from some players.

does anyone even know what is considered a decent rake in terms of BB/100 ?
if i take above poster for example 0.5bb 8K hands and 1.0 7K hands so in average around 0.75BB over 15K hands , he was down -750 but pokercraft show -100 therefore the difference is 650 in fees . Therefore you paid -650$/0.75bb/15K hands = 0.057BB / hand = -5.7BB / 100 hands . isn't this decent , anyone know what they are paying on other sites after rakeback in bb/100?

Red1: they moved spins to fair outcome 2 months ago. Spins were "rigged" before but should be fair now. That being said u aquire rake slower than b4

Red2: subjective

Red3: they had this problem in the past (2years ago maybe) but i have no seen any story of unjustified acc bans last 12 months - they changed alot about their approach and theres a reason they are no2 site after stars

Add $100 instant deposit bonus, about $210 from the deposit bonus clearance, and $110 or so fish spins and some honey moon cash. So more like 1100 in fees.

I don't know, I'm around halfway on the first whale status and so far I got paid ~$110 from spins. And that's like on somewhere over 1k rake. Including going $15 on all 5 octopuses (i.e. 10%) so I'm somewhere slightly above 10% so far.

Def, the first and last month I'm playing there. If it doesn't smell right, I'd rather stay away.

I'm trying to figure out what's the deal with GG network.

Can you play legally(!) outside of Asia?

Is HUD or any other poker software allowed when playing?

I read some posts about players having accounts blocked there. But I just wasn't able to understand what role affiliates had there.

Thanks for any info...

Is there anyway to import hands into HEM or PT4?

I was just looking at this
https://www.ggnetwork.com/post/2018/...f-fortune-spin

New game is coming at the end of the month is what I've heard. Is there anything more about this?

I just signed up for GGPoker, software is smooth and looks good. Plenty of mid high stakes PLO games. Not many mid stakes or higher NLE tournaments. Overall, a decent site to play, except for the insane rake of 3% uncap for PLO.

A couple of questions for the experts out there:
1. How do I turn off the damn annoying insurance pop-ups? In PLO, this popup happens pretty frequently and is super annoying.

2. How do you reduce the rake? Is there rakeback?

Thanks for your help!

Yes outside of Asia: https://natural8.com/user-agreement

No HUD allowed

Accounts blocking has been sporadic over the past couple years, the bad apples are gone.

Affiliates role is to promote the site and acquire new signups.

Yes from Pokercraft: https://natural8.com/features/pokercraft

Yes it will be Jackpot SNG called Spin and Gold most likely from what Ive heard

1 not possible

2 Cashback is up to 50%, assuming your pvi is neutral . https://natural8.com/features/fish-buffet

GGPoker website and client down for Thailand for me. Anyone else?

It disconnected in the middle of me flopping top set w AA. Grrr. Should I send in a ticket to get a refund?

Could try but normally the onus is on your own to make sure your connection works

The bad apples are still here. And GG network is the rotten one.
This is what I've read between your lines tbh.

But great, still better than getting no replies

there is a reason GG became 2nd biggest site. what they are doing works, their marketing works, they manage to generate more fish than any other site out there.

you can hate them for being intransparent, you can hate them for being greedy and expensive but for some reason players regs and fish alike want to play there...

obviously my connection was fine since google, youtube, email, etc. was all working. the issue is 100% on their end or the internet between us specificly.

Seems like they had problems with servers yesterday, I got disconnected couple times and heard others had same problem. Both times I reconnected in 10 seconds, but still got removed from all the tables. Contacted support, they said its not their fault.

It's not so much about hate and love.
It's just about a simple question - can I trust them enough to play there?

I don't think I can. But I'll probably try at some point. With caution.