GN is a network, there are dozens of skins. The UKGC doesn't license "networks", as i understand it. They license anyone who accepts bets - so it is the consumer-facing business that gets he license.

Most skins on GGN are licensed in Curacao or the Philippines. However, one skin ggpoker.co.uk (which is owned and operated by the owner of the network, a company called NSUS Labs - so its an in-house 'flagship' skin) is licensed in the UK.

Fwiw, there's also Optibet, which is a pretty big sports book operator in Eastern Europe, which has licenses in in Latvia and Estonia and both are skins on GG network.

And there's the site 138 which I have down as licensed in the Isle of Man... they also seem to operate under NSUS's license in the UK.

Is anyone else having issues with tables not loading after joining a tournament? Sometimes the table goes all black, or will just load continuously.

I've also had issues where when I'm in an mtt and the tables combine. I'm not auto moved to the new table and have to reload.

I've missed out on multiple hands because of this and am rarely able to play the first hand of a tournament.

tables combine and one sometimes needs to reload it. happened to me when the final table happened.

Regarding the rakeback on GGpoker, when you reach the shark level etc, you have to spin the wheel and you will get from 100$-1000$ fully randomly? Can you do a spin at each level or will you start from beginning again if you spin?

Can somebody link to the rake structure?

https://www.natural8.com/poker/texas-holdem

Can somebody tell me where I can find how much I have raked, how many hands I've played etc? Do they have a stats page?

Also can you import hands into pt4 or hem after you have played?

https://www.natural8.com/features/pokercraft

Can’t export to HUDs

Confirmed rigged site. Played 5 sessions and even though not enough of a sample size I can see after 7.5k hands that its rigged. Play at your own risk, but you will quickly see that any chinese fish will river you relentlessly. No joke.

And if they don't river you, they have obv hit the flop set of 5's or 4's, they call any 4 and always win, now when I say always win, that's not true obv!!!

They win 9 out of 10 times!

Anybody that says this site is legit or chatting chit, is obv in on it or getting paid to promote the site!

The fish buffet was surprisingly good with me hitting several top spins to the tune of $20 and $25. But they can of course afford to do this when they **** you every session!

Literally every session I played I was down $100 within 30 minutes, go figure! This is not sustainable, they have great promos but the chinese bots will destroy you!!

Their promos are really good, giving massive amounts back but now I know why!!! You can't win on that site!

I personally don't play there but I have quite a bit of friends (whom I've known for many years) that tell me the site is extremely soft. Both for cash and MTTs. So yeah, you're probably wrong.

Here are the facts:

1) We have been working with one of GG network skins, Arapoker, as an affiliate, refering players to them.

2) The contact person we have been working with is Constantinos Poleos (aka Andrey, surely fake name).

3) They have not only paid us 0 for our refereals but they do not procees those players cashouts, and our agent account has been erased.

4) We have reached GGnetwork to ask them for help, and they did not even answer us at all.
We sent them 5 emails and we got no answer at all.

We can't understand how GGnetwork allow these things to happen and take ZERO actions, maybe they don't give a ****.

If anyone has GGnetwork contact or someone to reach out, please let us know.

It's true, the site is very soft but if you can't make hands or you get rivered every big pot, then it doesn't matter, the fish will win.

Play at your own risk, I've put in enough hands to think it's fishy, idc if you play there or not but I have to give my opinion when it comes to these kind of things. Trust me I really wanted to write a positive review, as I quite like the site, the software and the promos and I would of done just that had it been more fairer in regards to winning and losing pots.

But the way things have played out, I can't really recommend to play on this fishy site. You know the saying, if it's too good to be true, or if it smells like a fish, or if it quacks like a duck etc.

Bryn Kenney on Twitter: @BrynKenney (I’m not trying to troll you).

Assuming you have acted in good faith, and have done no wrong, I believe it’s worth a shot. He’s the only GG Ambassador that I know of.

Is it possible to get a flat rakeback deal somehow? If I play on natural or GGpoker, its the same player pool?

The same pool and flat deals exist but it seems they are not as open with it as e.g. PPPoker and they might take it to nose if you post about it here. And it is not of much value at PLO but if you play high enough or much enough as the 3% rake doesn't generate as much rake otherwise compared to rates at the table and you do get rakeback with their own rakeback system also, though it is kind of ridiculous as it doesn't easily collect up if you are not very active consistently and at some reward level it is a lotto what you get and it may not be fully clear if it is legit but it has been argued for and against.

Pokercraft gives HH info but not sure how much use it is for tracking your stats.

Had a horrible down session during the EU night at PLO. Still up but it is tough when using this site to shot higher limit. Some player here reported 100k hands of winning play but some about a good start and then losing.

Had a similar run at Stars this Friday evening and I am not a stranger for horrible runs at Stars but there is still a win rate and it is a proven fact while GG isn't tracked for it as far as I know. The PLO25 rake is pretty horrible at Stars as it is like no cap; at Stars' NLH25, there are at least a couple of pro players as the rake is less of a problem at NLH while the PLO25 score stats for the top population are less good and don't necessarily create confidence.

At Shenpoker my winning pot was given to a worse hand and still waiting for an answer. Additionally that the highest games are a couple of 50 and 100 PLO tables with 20 bb deep play from most part, so worth only a small 25 minimum deposit (that need to be at least turned over to cashout) to try out for a start but NLH runs higher, though short stacking also. The thinking time is like 6 seconds or so post flop also and that isn't even the fast tables where it is shorter still and they are very popular. The blind may be posted wherever you sit and you may not be able to observe and as so select with Ipad anymore, just with Android perhaps still. Some affiliates have stopped taking players here for reason of it being tricky but it is less tricky than the clubs and I got my deposit through pretty instantly.

All in all, GG is better than this and it is more international though you can get at IDN also but it is mainly a mobile site and multitabling is difficult (and 20 bb play) if possible while at GG it is easy though at one point another table popped up when I had active buttons on the other (I was 4 tabling) and couldn't prevent folding on the other table with the best hand and I got no answer but that they got it. So, may need to avoid overlap here or play fewer tables or wait two seconds before acting every time to avoid near-simultaneous table pop-ups.

How are you?

The insurance is tricky as it is asked on the turn also and one has no sure info how much it costs, just that the rake is 3% at PLO with no cap, so it may not be too much and some calculation has been presented from the turn that it is of little cost but I have not been able to verify but it should be possible. They don't tell on their insurance page how much fee they take.

The house HUD is nice just leaves one to wonder how aggro someone is while at RIO one gets some idea of that also but the loose/tight stats are less reliable imo and no permanents notes like here with colour coding. They don't (anymore) show a separate note (N or so) mark when you have a note just a colour code, so it is kind of a similar problem as at Party where you also won't know if you have a note on a player if you have all players colour coded.

https://natural8.com/ambassadors, might be worth a shot

Can somebody comment on deposits/ withdrawals to/from natural8 ?
Can withdrawals be made directly to US bank accounts? and deposits from bank accounts or US credit cards?

Seems like Skrill is also an option with the site. Can one easily transfer back and forth through the following:
Natural8 <-> skrill <-> US bank account?

what about foreign bank accounts?

Please share your opinion and experience about this site. It seems player pool is soft but software is questionable (at least in my experience).

I can beat the games in PS with tougher player pool but seem to be losing to the fish on this network.

Is it my bad run or something fishy about this site?

GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

Same experience. Stay away from this site.

There wont be bigger splashed pots of more than 20bb I think, bigger splashes gets divided amongst players and goes straight to your stack, hence 65% RB.

https://natural8.com/poker/rush-and-cash

If youre a tournament player, this site is heaven.... Freerolls all the way up to 25K's....

Plus Natural8 uses bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals. Absolute nuts!!!!

I am not sure the NLH games are fishy. The rest depends on skill level vs. the sample size of how usual or unusual it is. Out of hundreds who play there and might visit here, it hasn't got many enough negative reviews (or you can try the Rig thread if you can find stuff from there but it is all in one pack and mostly nonsense) for me to think the runs are any different but when it comes to the variance of looser games that additionally should not be played all the same as the regular tighter games, though I had fewer problems with that here than at some Stars' PLO fish tables.

If you play at Stars and the pots are so often heads up and there are fish spots also, one doesn't experience as much variance before one moves up where there are fewer fish spots to cover the -EV runs.

IMO, one runs worse at the looser regular tables at stars also but having tracked the results of others, the best players can expect to score 5 to 10 bb/100 during most months with maybe two months being losing months but if they are Russian micro players, in case no losing months and the winrate is 20 bb/100.

If the 10 limit isn't too high for you, and you are willing to play in a fishier game than you would like to, in case it is PLO, you could play the 25-limit only with winnings and stick to the 10 otherwise, that's my general strategy everywhere.

NLH at GG had many nits when I was playing and it isn't unusual to expect them to open raise early like AK/JJ+, so one needs to refer to math when thinking about their ranges and actions post-flop also. At micro stars' zoom (.com and .es) the 3-bets might be that level, that's still too tight as not enough bluff range. But NLH generally is so nitty (usually counting out the open raise perhaps) and any 3-barrel may be an overpair or better even (stars' micro zoom). But one can adjust.

The GG "zoom" tables have the lowest like 4$ stacks and the next is 40$, or so I figured, and only for NLH. Didn't play the 40 but the 4$ was loose and I had my good and bad run just like at PLO10 and 25.

Playing at Stars' zoom currently as I don't want to waste time and my shot higher at GG didn't instantly succeed, that I planned it for, so now back at developing skill at Stars, that for me is a better investment of my time than grinding GG PLO10 and see if I can win and then PLO25 (any time up) before I get to make my move up to PLO50. I am constantly improving at Stars' zoom and don't have time for that. But the path at GG PLO exists if you haven't already played enough at that type of games.

I had a small positive score at NLH4z, NLH10, PLO10, PLO25 and MTTs, or at MTTs I scored more as there was a new player freeroll (30 active players, $1k freeroll). I had the same ups (1st) and downs (2nd) at Stars right after GG and since then grinding up at Star's zoom as usual with nothing much to mention.

One needs more volume to say anything more about GG.

I think you have said enough.

Rake at micro omaha is probably one of the lowest , 3 percent uncapped is better than most sites 5 percent [pretty much uncapped]

They give 50 percent rakeback , 65 percent at rush and cash.....Plus promotions

They kinda do cater to the recreationals which is good for everyone!!!