Well, if what you quoted is accurate, it would seem that not everyone has the same odds of winning a given prize, but that doesn't mean an RNG couldn't still be involved, the result of which would be combined with other factors to determine your prize. Exactly how they do it probably isn't important to your original point.

Is it reasonable to play on here ?

I asked two big affiliates that are probably in the Top 5 of the biggest affis and they said they havent had players banned and/or winnings confiscated in years despite having alot of people playing there.

Can I trust this ?
Ive read the last few pages and have a hard time on making a decision based on the feedback here.

I had two affiliates tell me the same thing but Mixgrill(10k Stars reg) is reporting 25k confiscated and account closure.

I have been a winning player from day1 i started playing there (midstakes 6max) with multiple cashouts and i spun the 80% prize once and multiple others that were _not_ the lowest one. not arguing as i dont know anything about this "system" etc, just stating what i observed since i started playing there some weeks ago.

@Konkurentas

Are you sure this how it works ?
I see they have a set of frequencies for the different prizes,
for example , on my plankton level , the frequency of hitting 30% rakeback
is 4685 out of 100,000 which is around 5% .
So im supposed to get this 1 time out of 20 tries.
Are your saying your frequency is different then mine based on some PVI ?

Regarding the players getting banned , I suspect it might be because someone didn't like them and complained. is that possible ? lets say i stack someone and decide to leave. Then they get mad , and write an email to the network saying i was bumhunting or something. Cause I see same regs playing high stakes in PLO , why arn't they getting banned ? doesn't make sense . THere must be some logic there ?

Anyone ever have an issue with depositing via skrill. The money was sent from my Skrill account but, it shows up on GGpoker as a failed deposit with count at $0. I tried to email them but, kinda worried never experienced anything like this.

Also quite curious about this. Are you still playing? Did you ever work out if it was 65% given back?

The splashes range from 10-500bb. Over my 35k sample I did not have a single splashed pot bigger than 20bb. Not sure on the frequency the larger splashes are supposed to hit. It's all very hush hush on their website with minimal information given. Would have expected to see at least one in that sample size. Makes me doubt the 65% figure but cant say with any confidence that its wrong.

I have been playing the 150cny tables for over a month now and according to their internal tracker my all-in EV is 21.5bb/100.

However I'm 4600cny under EV in 35k hands which is pretty insane(1cny=1bb).


It really feels like I'm being cheated. I've noticed some very weird tendencies from Chinese players who will automatically iso a limp to 3bb. With the ante structure there is 6bb in every pot + x number of limps. For example, 4 players could limp in a splashed pot and they will make it 3x with any two cards. Everyone is getting around 15/1 on the call preflop so nobody is ever folding. Another tendency is that they will 3x CO vs BTN 100% and then click auto-fold. So they are instantly checking flop and folding to my 1bb bets.

Weird **** going on here. Could be collusion, bots or even worse...colluding bots.

I have a question about their big hand promotion. I did some calculation and you basically pay 9-10 bb/100 for this promotion, which is huge.

My question is , do they pay out the jackpot 100% back to the players or are they taking a cut each time a jackpot hits?

That is pretty sick actually. Straight up scam. Probably nobody has completed all the missions.

I stopped playing in them. I was winning 25bb/100 but paying 20bb/100 in rake, so it wasn't worth it. I did see some 200+bb splashes in the time I played. And I saw the same weird 3x raises and terrible play from chinese fish - I don't think the pool really understands the effect of antes and having the BB on the button.

It's actually a really fun game that I would play a lot of if the rake wasn't 20bb/100

Was actually pretty excited about this and worked kinda hard to complete even missions a little out of my 'comfort zone'(x hands at AoF, buy Insurance and get payout in PLO etc). Couldn't complete most of the MTT ones(reach final table and there were 2 that required 1st place in a tournament). Finally missed the T$110 by 1 mission(day 30 had Hit the Jackpot in AoF wtf). Really disappointed in this promo, would be a great way to promote the room to my rec friends, but will never mention it due to this and the Spin Wheel scam.

Otherwise great room, I like the software

Yeah the rake is a beast on these games. How did you fair in terms of EV? I really enjoyed the format too but wont be playing any longer due to this. I requested my HHs from the support team as I wanted to check if it actually is 65% rakeback in splashed pots but they refused to send the hands.

WOW lol insane that they actually get away with that bs. Can confidently say nobody will have ever completed the 30 days of challenges.


Noticed that they've got a lot of well known pro's shilling the site on social media for their current tournament series. I wonder if they know about the shady side of this company.

The frequencies are shown in general, but because of their PVI system, frequency doesn't equal to probability. If your PVI is high you have more than 5%, if your PVI is low you have less than 5% to win top prize. I probably wasn't completely right when I said there is no rng, there could be rng, but is heavily manipulated with their PVI system. From about 35 spins, 33 times I received bottom prize with 20% frequency on each spin to get bottom prize.

Anyone here know why the pokercraft graph doesn't include rake?
It's meaningless this way..

how do i contact ggnetwork?
I tried through ggpoker but they said they don't deal with it and I could tweet ggnetwork directly, so i did
but they didn't answer me.

I say let us all send them a massage so that they will change it

In any case , some rakeback is better then 0 rakeback ( pokerstars lol )
and the rake for PLO is the lowest out of all poker rooms.
I'll keep playing until something changes my mind.

Depends on your limit.
mpn for example is 5% but is capped to 3bb but if you your playing plo100 or higher the cap is 3 euro so if your playing plo200 and above mpn is probably better. Although small pots are better raked in ggnetwork. Playing shortstack at lower limits defenetly favors ggnetwork.

THe problem with MPN is not enough player traffic. And the software is terrible.

By reading this thread one may conclude that there are a decent amount of regs who hit the minimum prize most 'frequently' at the highest Fish Buffet levels(Shark). Am I correct assuming that by your theory, this must mean that there are a whole lot of rec players at that same level who have a much higher PVI index and are hitting the top prize with the same 'frequency'? I find it highly unlikely there being a huge number of net depositors who emote, play different games and provide all kinds of great value to the room while raking $1k+ a month.

Btw I have nothing against a system where recs get back more than regs, but having the probabilities or 'frequencies' or whatever you wanna call them listed under your nose every time you hit dat 10% just makes it feel like a huge scam.

I decided to write ggPoker support an email regarding the rakeback probabilities:

will post reply as well.



They replied very quickly

i don't think this is bad side of variance , 10 times in a row now i got 10% , chests all the way up to gold goldfish .

going off topic.
Are there any keyboard shortcuts for check/fold/bet ?

Is GGpoker.com the same as the GG network or is it it's own site?

https://www.ggnetwork.com/partners

Thank you very much, did not think of going about it this way

hello guys , how many cash tables can i play at GGPOKER ?
also is it safe to use a program for hotkeys like table tamer ? i don't want to get banned :P