have the same but once i turn off my GTO realtime bot it usually works flawlessly so i possibly would start there...

i love how they let you deposit without verification, but they'll ask you to verify if you want to withdraw. Funny ****.

Every skin has their own rules, some require it randomly, some to withdraw, some not at all.

But supplying verification shouldn't be an issue, ever, surely, right?

I just recognized that not all players have a fish buffet icon showing their VIP level next to their avatar when playing. Is it possible to hide it? Or do they play on another skin with a different VIP system or something?

And sorry for the noob question in case it has been mentioned before

Was just wondering, do networks like natural 8 have IP and GPS restrictions? Tried playing on the same table with 2 mobile phones and it works. If I can do it, others can too and it promotes collusions. Thoughts?

Can do but probably bankroll is gg as well once they catch u

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The rake structure is bad for NLHE, but the soft competition might make up for it. For PLO it's 3% uncapped, which seems scary at first sight but after doing some calculations it's within the top-3 rake structures of the industry for PLO10-100. Above you need to be cautious. For example, if two $1k stacks fly in at $5/$10 stakes, $60 rake will be charged. So make sure it's worth to play it at PLO200+ and do your calculations.

Rake structure GG Network: https://www.ggnetwork.com/cash-games

Regarding the "up to 100% rakeback" claim... it is simply BS guys
I contacted my affiliate regarding the randomness of the spinwheel in the fish buffet as it seemed like the 10% RB (minimum value) hit like almost every time. They've done a survey for their players and results are in. 15 players shared their results and, no surprise, the minimum 10% is hitting 7/10 for levels higher than octopus.

Conclusion: if you grind hard enough (like 75k hands/month) you get "up to" 30% rake races and rake chases from affiliate included***. That is for 25NLHE.

***if you are a winning player

Some absolutely terrible players seem to be making an absolute killing when you view their staking profile, I mean terribad players, calling 94o pre for 75% their stack (and flopping boats). I have bubbled a lot of tournaments always by mysterious soul pwners from Vietnam, Phillipines, Israel and China. I never realised these countries had such talent for poker, they should take up professional Keno. I always go for the big overlay tournaments, so it stands to reason that the sites need sweatshop collusion rings in these poor countries to keep the westerners from winning.

No such problems in cash, the All in or fold Omaha is particularly amazing (you get to see the flop before putting any money in the pot!). I use this to build up small deposits for some big tourney buy ins, but not done any better than min cashing. Maybe tournament poker has changed, but the plays I see, they simply can't be profitable....but must save GG a ton on overlays if indeed bots/superusers are winning. I wouldn't blame them, most games run with overlay, I'm sure they're not in the business of giving their money away.

Never had the chance to cash out due to this. At least there's no casino....I like that. The stupid emoticons is horribly tilting it would be great to have an option to switch all that crap off and get a more normal looking client.

Hello! Does it really matter which skin I'm playing on or are there some that are better than others? As far as I can tell, there are:

Bestpoker
GGPoker
Breakout Poker
Tianlong Poker
Betkings Poker
Lotos Poker
Red6Poker

any recommendations?

Also I've read that people got banned and their funds were confiscated lol... is that only with some of their skins or with the entire network?

if you have a decent winrate I dunno why you would choose this network. The rakeback is advertised @ 50% on average (for higher Fish Buffet levels) but the reality is very different. If you are a winning player AND grind your heart out you will get at best 35% if you have an account made through an affiliate; so rake races and rake chases included. The Fish Buffet spin wheel is not random at all. My affiliate contacted all their players and gathered a database of spins from 15 of their most dedicated grinders. In 300 spins the minimum 10% hit in over half the spins, the next level (20 or 25%) hits 40% of the time. There was only one maximum 100% and eight times the spinwheel got to 80%.
So if the reason for playing there is rakeback, think again I don't know what stakes you want to play but starting 50NL you are actually bleeding money if you play there because the rake is capped at 4$ (stars has 2$ cap). Basically you pay almost twice the rake for less than 50% rakeback. And the tables are OK at best. There's alotta shortstacking going on, they are not transparent at all regarding collusion or bots.
Regarding safety of funds and fast withdrawals I encountered no problems.
The software is actually pretty good IMO.

I hope this helped you in making an informed decision on wether you wil play there or not. The software ig good, the tables are OKish (recreational player wise) but not as soft as stars, no problems with money movement or security.
The main issue here is rakeback. They are BSing the community with easily provable false claims of 50% average RB. And the only reason why a grinder would play there is exactly this - RAKEBACK. Because the tables are not that soft and rake is almost double

thank you very much, thats very detailed. Maybe not such a good idea to play there, however I'm a bit sick of stars.

In general it's safe to say when pokersites are vague or at least not straightforward regarding the net rakeback to be earned, (earning chests, spinning wheels) players are disadvantaged. Thanks for sharing the spin results @xPOPOVICIx, this is the only way to find out.

Another shady way of calculating how much one raked is the Player Value Index (PVI) Method.

This is from their rules section at: https://www.ggpoker.com/network-rules/

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1.5. Player Value Index Method Rule

Each Player at each Participating Operator is given a value between 0 and 2. This value is called the Player Value Index (“PVI”). The PVI for each player is made up from the scores on each games, with an individual weighting.

1.5.1. Hold’em and Omaha scores are determined by CHB Index, Swing Index, Potsize Index, etc.

1.5.2. All-in or Fold score is determined by All-In Index, Jackpot Index, Winloss Index, etc.

1.5.3. Tournament score is determined by Overlay Index, Satellite Index, Buyin Index, and Skill Index.

1.5.4. All scores are subject to change.

The combination of the scores gives the PVI for each Player at each poker room in each Group.

This PVI is then used to allocate Rake between Participating Operators. The Rake for each Hand is allocated to the Participating Operator per that Participating Operator’s Player, in the ratio of that Player’s PVI times Rake for the session.
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This indexing of players' rake contribution can't be looked into, and therefore it's another factor they aren't transparent about and is disadvantageous for players too. In case the level of competition isn't worth it, consider to play at the GG Network twice in my opinion.

Wish id ****ing seen this thread before depositing last week and witnessing the most ridiculous plays/setups I've ever seen from places ive never heard of in games that im certain I'm extremely +ev in. Thought I'd found a goldmine but something didnt feel right and reading the thread theres no chance I'll deposit a single cent more as im certain I was
cheated playing mid-high stakes nl/plo.

Is true that withdraw via facebook chat is without any verification, but is a little longer withdrawal process?

I do not know how about deposits and pay out through facebook but my friend told me quite recently that he wanted to act on his account and contacted N8 through his girlfriend's Facebook account. only username needed to verify his identity! This is unacceptable!
Customer service through facebook is a joke and misunderstanding! I understand that it was good when N8 was on a small company and started to operate. it was a cheap and simple solution. however, now that the network has traffic, 10k players at time must create their own chat system! any other company does. customer service through facebook is open and open sharing and giving personal information to third parties!

This is not acceptable!

if someone from N8 management is monitoring what players are writing on this forum, they should follow what I wrote.

I will not write about banning winning players i write only that it is unacceptable!



trust to the company is the key in business where real money comes in !!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they still banning winning players? Heard about few incidents of such bans couple of months ago and hoped they don't do this anymore...

Anyone playing there, that can tell anything about the deposit and withdraws - how long ? any problems and so ?

Thinking of testing N8 out tomorrow or Friday... just a small deposit of like 300$ with their first deposit 100% bonus... to try out some NL25, Nl50, NL100...

You can only withdraw money via the same way you deposit. You also need to at least rake 15% of your deposit before withdrawing. I deposit with skrill through facebook, but when i wanted to withdraw with skrill through the client/website, i needed to write 5 mails until they let me.

Whats the best deal u can get on this network, and how do u get it?

This.

These 2 players marked in yellow are colluding and don't seem to be trying to hide it at all. Watch out for it and report them.

https://gyazo.com/529edb470927d63663ea606221eb5861

Deposited 800$ and ran it up to 1750$ very quickly then I hit a brutal 37 bi's downswing in like 20k hands (had to move down to nl25, I now have 380$ on my account). Could always be variance obviously but considering how ridiculously soft the games are, it's quite unlikely. The timing is also suspicious, it's like the rng adjusted to me.

I have been playing for 10+ years and I never had a feeling that something was wrong (actually that's not true I've had the same experience on pokermaster after running up my 2500€ deposit to 13k, same kind of downswing against clueless players including the "regs". That time I was smarter and actually withdrew after losing 8k).

Maybe gg poker realized straight up banning players isn't very good for the site rep. I don't think it's a stretch to assume the rng is rigged considering they ban winning players.

Also ran under ev spinning the stupid wheel.

That's my experience with chinese poker sites.

Well this happened to me too, except at higher stakes. Got crushed by every single chinese fish at the site when started playing 1k at most ridiculous situations.