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03-06-2018 , 01:29 AM
obv a private operator can decide if he wants to do business with you or not meaning they can ban you anytime they feel like. would get iffy if they keep your money but seems like they paying out. its not like there arent enuff lower raked sites who dont give a **** how much you win
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03-06-2018 , 07:34 AM
I don't know anything more than you guys do and I don't know if this network does confiscate money from the winning players they ban, but regarding NINzent's case my understanding is that he was banned for bumhunting, not for being a winning player. This is a very important difference because bumhunting is not permitted according to their rules (yes, this might be silly but that's indeed the case). So basically NINzent has breached their rules, which I'm pretty sure "justifies" why his money had been confiscated. (I'm fairly certain that all/most other sites also confiscate your money if you breach their rules).

No, I do not agree with this and I'm not even sure they can prove he had been bumhunting, what I'm saying is that there's a difference between someone breaking the rules and someone they simply consider to be unprofitable for their business.
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03-06-2018 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AndreasAU79
I don't know anything more than you guys do and I don't know if this network does confiscate money from the winning players they ban, but regarding NINzent's case my understanding is that he was banned for bumhunting, not for being a winning player. This is a very important difference because bumhunting is not permitted according to their rules (yes, this might be silly but that's indeed the case). So basically NINzent has breached their rules, which I'm pretty sure "justifies" why his money had been confiscated. (I'm fairly certain that all/most other sites also confiscate your money if you breach their rules).

No, I do not agree with this and I'm not even sure they can prove he had been bumhunting, what I'm saying is that there's a difference between someone breaking the rules and someone they simply consider to be unprofitable for their business.
I don't think they have a clear definition of bumhunting and that enables them to ban players and take their funds for whatever reason they want.
Every reg sits at the table for a reason, every tries to exploit other players weaknesses for their benefit.
GG network even has their "ambassadors" who could be accused for bumhunting as well, for instance, while I played there I have NEVER seen Laurence Grondin starting a table or staying once recreational player leaves.
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03-06-2018 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AndreasAU79
I don't know anything more than you guys do and I don't know if this network does confiscate money from the winning players they ban, but regarding NINzent's case my understanding is that he was banned for bumhunting, not for being a winning player. This is a very important difference because bumhunting is not permitted according to their rules (yes, this might be silly but that's indeed the case). So basically NINzent has breached their rules, which I'm pretty sure "justifies" why his money had been confiscated. (I'm fairly certain that all/most other sites also confiscate your money if you breach their rules).

No, I do not agree with this and I'm not even sure they can prove he had been bumhunting, what I'm saying is that there's a difference between someone breaking the rules and someone they simply consider to be unprofitable for their business.
But I didn't bumhunt, I started tons of tables and never left them
Which you would know if you would've read my thread...
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03-07-2018 , 07:32 AM
Sorry for not specifying this, I had indeed read your thread and I wasn't accusing you of anything, I was just trying to say that they're claiming that you had been bumhunting (I forgot to use the word "claiming" which is obviously quite important).

This is just my interpretation of when they confiscate funds and when they don't, I was just using your case as an example. Even without any sort of proof I'm more inclined to believe you instead of the network based on this silly bumhunting rule as well as banning players just because they're winning.
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03-11-2018 , 09:42 AM
Are the fortune cookies in the spins equally distributed? I keep getting multiples and I'm not sure if it is one of those McDonald's monopoly type things or not where one or two cards are rarer
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03-11-2018 , 11:10 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Wo0xoaz.png

Has to be a rake trap yeah? If these cards were even odds the effective rake would be 10ish percent and these spins completely crushable

On another note, there's this one bot-like whale that keeps showing up in the 8x spins and binks it every time. This site is shady af

Last edited by lardydardy; 03-11-2018 at 11:15 AM.
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03-17-2018 , 08:20 PM
I'm trying to deposit money on ggnetwork but when i click cashier button, it sends me to cahsier page but goes "session expired" instantly, can someone help me out ? cheers
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03-18-2018 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lardydardy
Are the fortune cookies in the spins equally distributed? I keep getting multiples and I'm not sure if it is one of those McDonald's monopoly type things or not where one or two cards are rarer
The cookies are equally distributed, so if you've collected 9 out of 10, the probability of getting the 10th on your next try is 1/10, and no matter how many attempts to get it you've failed already, the average number of cookies that you'll draw until you get it is exactly 10 (incl. the last, successful, draw).

See Wikipedia: Geometric distribution for the maths; for the collection of the 10th cookie, p=1/10.

In general, if you already have n cookies, then the probability of getting a new (not duplicate) cookie on the next try is of course p=(10-n)/10, hence the avg number of tries until the number of unique cookies in your collection increases from n to n+1 is 1/p = 10 / (10-n).

Therefore, once you restart with 1 cookie (after you get the 10 BI prize, you'll automatically get 1 cookie for the next collection cycle without playing), the avg number of cookies you'll need to draw to collect 10 different ones is 10/(10-1) + ... + 10/(10-9) = 10 * (1/9 + 1/8 + ... + 1) = 10 * H_9 = 7129/252 ~ 28.2897. (H_9 denotes the ninth harmonic number.)

Hence the rake is ~5% (~4.992%, actually). Indeed, for the $1 BI, the avg value of a cookie is $10 / 28.2897 ~ $0.35349. The 3 entrants get a $4 prize pool 42% of the time, a $8 one 8% of the time, and 3 cookies (1 per player) worth ~$1.06046 in total 50% of the time. Thus the avg prize pool is $4*0.42 + $8*0.08 + $1.06046*0.5 ~ $2.85023. Dividing it 3, we obtain the prize EV of $0.95008 per player and the rake value of $0.04992.

Last edited by coon74; 03-18-2018 at 03:40 AM. Reason: correction of the harmonic number
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03-20-2018 , 05:17 AM
Any multitabling software that is allowed? Really need a time bank clicker for this site
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03-20-2018 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Federer20
Any multitabling software that is allowed? Really need a time bank clicker for this site
Stackntile bro. But u need to add it manually for it to work. For GGpoker anyways. Havent tried with other skins.
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04-17-2018 , 03:40 PM
I'm not the type to call out sites as being rigged, but having played here for a while now it's hard to shake the feeling that something isn't quite right. The combination of being massively under All-In EV (can see this through the crappy PokerCraft feature), massively under EV on Fish Buffet (I've manually calculated this to confirm), and the unquantifiable losses from set-ups and suck-outs (usually against Chinese players who seemingly click buttons at random) the whole thing is suspicious. I've never had the slightest concern with any of the numerous other poker sites I've played on.

Not sure why I'm posting this and no doubt this'll be moved to the 'poker is rigged' thread and I'll be lumped with all the crazies, but hopefully someone will read this and it might make them think twice about signing up here.

Sad thing is, I can't bring myself to leave. I see games that I should be crushing and ignore my gut feeling. Hopefully, instead of remaining as a marginal winner, I'll bust my account soon and I'll be able to move on.
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04-18-2018 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ontheupandup
Sad thing is, I can't bring myself to leave. I see games that I should be crushing and ignore my gut feeling. Hopefully, instead of remaining as a marginal winner, I'll bust my account soon and I'll be able to move on.
Don't worry, they will probably ban you once you will start winning it back
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04-20-2018 , 01:17 PM
Same for me, they just lock my account for no reason.I did win like 1500 in last 5 days and now i cant log in.It says block for security reason and support dont reply on my mail.
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04-21-2018 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by czechpete
Same for me, they just lock my account for no reason.I did win like 1500 in last 5 days and now i cant log in.It says block for security reason and support dont reply on my mail.
It's quite probable they're gonna ask you for additional ID verification, happened to me when I requested a withdrawal even though I had already verified my ID even before I first deposited. Thankfully it was just that and got it sorted in the end, but blocking/freezing accounts just like that for such reasons really won't help their rep...
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04-21-2018 , 10:39 AM
Can a representative for GG please comment and tell us players what is going on regarding All in Asia(a skin of GG).

Their whole website is down, including Facebook/Website. I have also not got hold of anyone via Skype.

My balance reflects $0. When i had few $k in there. I have heard everyones balance reflects $0 or otherwise it give a std ''security msg'' which does not allow you to access the site.

My question is have funds been hacked? Is this a routine maintenance( I doubt it).
It has been 24+hrs and no reply via the channels i have tried.
Anyone with any information please let me know.

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Originally Posted by willowtree
Can a representative for GG please comment and tell us players what is going on regarding All in Asia(a skin of GG).

Their whole website is down, including Facebook/Website. I have also not got hold of anyone via Skype.

My balance reflects $0. When i had few $k in there. I have heard everyones balance reflects $0 or otherwise it give a std ''security msg'' which does not allow you to access the site.

My question is have funds been hacked? Is this a routine maintenance( I doubt it).
It has been 24+hrs and no reply via the channels i have tried.
Anyone with any information please let me know.
Situation has been resolved. Thanks.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 04-21-2018 at 08:05 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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04-21-2018 , 06:49 PM
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a representative for GG
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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04-23-2018 , 07:06 AM
are there also cases of blocking winning mtt players?

I planned to deposit the maximum fist deposit bonus amount after watching BParis / Buelehro .... but now I am unsure......
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04-23-2018 , 08:06 AM
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are there also cases of blocking winning mtt players?

I planned to deposit the maximum fist deposit bonus amount after watching BParis / Buelehro .... but now I am unsure......
No they do not. I back 2x MTT players including number 1 ranked player on GG for 2018(acc to sharkscope).

I think its 400nl/PLO+ that they might do this(Dont quote me). But they do this with something called ''ecology of the room'' which essentially means they have the right to block winning players which they do do at the higher stakes games to keep games running and not saturate the market.
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04-23-2018 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by willowtree
No they do not. I back 2x MTT players including number 1 ranked player on GG for 2018(acc to sharkscope).

I think its 400nl/PLO+ that they might do this(Dont quote me). But they do this with something called ''ecology of the room'' which essentially means they have the right to block winning players which they do do at the higher stakes games to keep games running and not saturate the market.
good to know - so see you soon there

thx
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04-24-2018 , 09:14 AM
how is "All in Asia" compared to Natural8?
playing mostly midstake mtts and some plo cash
- software any difference
- rakeback, bonuses etc.
- withdrawal policy and speed
- hud use
- support
- known problems

Planned to put the max. first 1k on N8 but got a very good offer for All in Asia, now not sure....

thanx in advance!

p.s.: basically have more trust in N8 as I know they are serious by long term sponsoring BParis and Buehlero (both seem the type of guys who would not deal with a lot of bs for a longer time....)

p.s.II: found this quite concerning thread - after reading this, I highly doubt to take the offer for AIA:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...a-com-1688889/

Last edited by Lockerl71; 04-24-2018 at 09:36 AM. Reason: added ps II
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04-24-2018 , 10:01 AM
It's on the same network and the network is the one who bans player and in my case at least redistributed my winnings (at least thats what they claimed, maybe they just kept them).
So it doesn't matter what skin you are on, since the network is the problem.
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04-24-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NINzent
It's on the same network and the network is the one who bans player and in my case at least redistributed my winnings (at least thats what they claimed, maybe they just kept them).
So it doesn't matter what skin you are on, since the network is the problem.
Agree. Its not the site that bans players. All these sites you buy a skin for basically(There price is on GG's website). Basically a site like N8 will buy a skin from GG under whatever option they want as there are a few options. Then under that you pay royalties/rev share etc.

Then GG still applies the rules so to speak. So if you breach their rules they give you a warning/ban players etc.

The promotions differ from site to site as some markets like Lotus(Previuosly on 888 network) cater for the Russian market.

So it basically comes down to preference as a player what promo you would like.
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04-24-2018 , 09:52 PM
DO NOT deposit on this ****hole site. Two days ago there was a superuser Bluestacks(Argentina) on nl2k$ tables, playing 90 vpip~ and winning every hand. After 4-5 hours he ended up with 70k$ stack and moved to nl5k$, and left after his stack reached 40k$.

By the way he played it was obvious that he could see the upcomming board and\or was able to see other player's cards.

Stay away from this scam guys
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04-25-2018 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jayser1337
DO NOT deposit on this ****hole site. Two days ago there was a superuser Bluestacks(Argentina) on nl2k$ tables, playing 90 vpip~ and winning every hand. After 4-5 hours he ended up with 70k$ stack and moved to nl5k$, and left after his stack reached 40k$.

By the way he played it was obvious that he could see the upcomming board and\or was able to see other player's cards.

Stay away from this scam guys
Did you or anyone else record the session? I'm not questioning what you saw on what is by all accounts a shady network, but video evidence of such blatant superusing would get a lot more attention than a single forum post.
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