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12-29-2017, 01:14 PM   #401
MShkreli
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by ontheupandup Is all-in insurance genuinely fee-free? I'd like to use it sometimes if it really does offer the same EV with reduced variance. I keep meaning to look into it but never get around to it.
Insurance is EV-. Just another way to screw players.

12-29-2017, 04:04 PM   #402
vicyafos
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by ontheupandup Is all-in insurance genuinely fee-free? I'd like to use it sometimes if it really does offer the same EV with reduced variance. I keep meaning to look into it but never get around to it.
Not my post, credit Kyyberi

The calculations are there.

Juice is the amount that insurance pays over the EV0 amount. If EV0 insurance would pay \$5, then if you pay \$5,50 for it there is \$0,50 juice. The one who gives the insurance makes profits from the juice.

In the example there is an all-in on the turn, 100bb stacks and hero has 85% equity.

Let's repeat the situation 100 times and hero wins 85 of those.

Without the insurance

85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb = 17042,5bb
15 times hero loses 100bb stack = -1500bb

After 100 repetitions hero has 15542,5bb

With insurance

85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb, but pays insurance of 17,7bb = 15538bb
15 times hero loses but keeps his stack = 0bb

After 100 repetitions hero has 15538bb.

Difference is about 0,05bb per hand. If the insurance cost is 1c lower, it would be the same difference but benefits the player. So it's uite understandable that it's rounded up.

I can't explain it any clearer. Insurance is EV0 so it doesn't affect your winnings directly in the long run.

 12-29-2017, 05:20 PM #403 NINzent adept     Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 784 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc So you're telling me ALL THIS TIME I could've just used it?
12-29-2017, 10:29 PM   #404
ontheupandup
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

Quote:
 Originally Posted by vicyafos Not my post, credit Kyyberi The calculations are there. Juice is the amount that insurance pays over the EV0 amount. If EV0 insurance would pay \$5, then if you pay \$5,50 for it there is \$0,50 juice. The one who gives the insurance makes profits from the juice. In the example there is an all-in on the turn, 100bb stacks and hero has 85% equity. Let's repeat the situation 100 times and hero wins 85 of those. Without the insurance 85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb = 17042,5bb 15 times hero loses 100bb stack = -1500bb After 100 repetitions hero has 15542,5bb With insurance 85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb, but pays insurance of 17,7bb = 15538bb 15 times hero loses but keeps his stack = 0bb After 100 repetitions hero has 15538bb. Difference is about 0,05bb per hand. If the insurance cost is 1c lower, it would be the same difference but benefits the player. So it's uite understandable that it's rounded up. I can't explain it any clearer. Insurance is EV0 so it doesn't affect your winnings directly in the long run.
Nice, thank you/Kyyberi.

12-30-2017, 11:53 AM   #405
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by NINzent So you're telling me ALL THIS TIME I could've just used it?

 01-02-2018, 12:40 AM #406 Mr.DjiSamSoe adept     Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: IndONEsia Posts: 863 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc Have anyone's check Highstakes Poker room (GGskins) which offer VIP almost like the old FTP system (or like Stars now) you can get direct cash rebate by buying stuff on the HS Store..can some one check it and calculate the RB.. Level Bronze - Silver - Gold - Platinum and Red Rake \$1 = 100 pts \$10 cash rebate for 6.250 points \$100 cash rebate for 50.000 points \$1k cash rebate for 375.000 points \$10k cash rebate for 3.000.500 points Thanks
01-02-2018, 07:07 AM   #407
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by Mr.DjiSamSoe Have anyone's check Highstakes Poker room (GGskins) which offer VIP almost like the old FTP system (or like Stars now) you can get direct cash rebate by buying stuff on the HS Store..can some one check it and calculate the RB.. Level Bronze - Silver - Gold - Platinum and Red Rake \$1 = 100 pts \$10 cash rebate for 6.250 points \$100 cash rebate for 50.000 points \$1k cash rebate for 375.000 points \$10k cash rebate for 3.000.500 points Thanks
You got the numbers, now do the math

 01-02-2018, 12:16 PM #408 Adolfphin stranger   Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 11 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc Does anyone know how you can get into the VIP rooms? i see 3 vip rooms, Mariana bay sands and formosa poker club and slurpeez, I've heard that there is really good action in the VIP
 01-02-2018, 05:26 PM #409 the4bettingmonk old hand   Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,595 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc so what is the rake on cookie freerolls? Hard to find out what the effective percentage is. edit: also what times are the best traffic numbers at?
 01-04-2018, 11:04 AM #410 Adolfphin stranger   Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 11 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc i found a guy who sells handhistory for ggnetwork, will i get banned if i use it?
01-04-2018, 01:15 PM   #411
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by Adolfphin i found a guy who sells handhistory for ggnetwork, will i get banned if i use it?
imo it seems v likely as getting caught using a HUD would mean perma ban

01-04-2018, 03:34 PM   #412
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by Adolfphin i found a guy who sells handhistory for ggnetwork, will i get banned if i use it?
So you're asking if you will get banned for cheating?

How about - don't cheat, whether it will get you banned or not.

01-05-2018, 05:57 AM   #413
soL-10
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by vicyafos Not my post, credit Kyyberi The calculations are there. Juice is the amount that insurance pays over the EV0 amount. If EV0 insurance would pay \$5, then if you pay \$5,50 for it there is \$0,50 juice. The one who gives the insurance makes profits from the juice. In the example there is an all-in on the turn, 100bb stacks and hero has 85% equity. Let's repeat the situation 100 times and hero wins 85 of those. Without the insurance 85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb = 17042,5bb 15 times hero loses 100bb stack = -1500bb After 100 repetitions hero has 15542,5bb With insurance 85 times hero wins pot of 200,5bb, but pays insurance of 17,7bb = 15538bb 15 times hero loses but keeps his stack = 0bb After 100 repetitions hero has 15538bb. Difference is about 0,05bb per hand. If the insurance cost is 1c lower, it would be the same difference but benefits the player. So it's uite understandable that it's rounded up. I can't explain it any clearer. Insurance is EV0 so it doesn't affect your winnings directly in the long run.

Came this pot in PLO :

All-in on the flop for a total pot of : 1091.54\$

I didnt pay too much attention to the numbers they gave, as they go quickly and quoted text above said it was almost neutral ev, if not neutral ev.
Using cardsplayer odds calculator,

my equity on the flop: 67.44%
his equity on the flop: 32.56%

Pot on the flop : 1091.54\$

my equity value : 736.13\$

my insurance payout : 543.27\$

Which represents almost half of the value of the pot. Hmm?

I lost the pot, got 543.27\$, winner got 1091.54\$, as per HH. I also dont understand when in the HH the rake is taken.

Anyhow, there is a massive difference in my insurance money : 543.27\$ and my equity money : 736.13\$

And we said above; is it almost neutral EV to take insurance? What am I missing?

*

^

Ahhh, I could edit above but I get it.

If you lose, you simply keep your stack.

Got it. Misread or got confused, Ill leave the top post for information, just in case it helps somebody if he scrolls this.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-07-2018 at 05:31 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged

 01-31-2018, 11:19 AM #414 NINzent adept     Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 784 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../#post53421647 Essential read for everyone playing on the network!
 02-03-2018, 12:06 AM #415 ZeroZero stranger   Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 2 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc Thanks for the heads up. This is my first time joining any site for Online. Do you have alternate recommendations? Im just playing with around \$100 to get my feet wet so maybe this site is fine for me?
02-11-2018, 06:16 PM   #416
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

Asking questions gets you banned from GG Network. Attempting to comply is equivalent to transgressing. You can't know the rules. But if you break them, you'll lose your money.

tl;dr:
GG: If you break our rules, you’ll be banned and we’ll confiscate your funds.
Me: Are you serious?
GG: You’re banned.

Email screenshots:
https://ibb.co/cQKoFn

text:

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 02-11-2018, 11:30 PM #417 Schlager233 journeyman     Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: exploited by bots Posts: 398 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc They have so many bots and superusers playing there, they could care less about any winning regs. Especially winning regs who have half a brain to question their arbitrary implementation of the "rules". Seems they are 1 step away from sending all the winning accounts to go grind .02/.04 in gulag work camps.
 02-13-2018, 07:35 PM #418 AndreasAU79 centurion   Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 106 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc GGPoker's house rules state that players are allowed to play a maximum of 4 tables at the same time, can anyone verify that? I was unaware of it since I played there for the first time today and the software didn't prevent me from sitting on a 5th table, which I assume would have been the most logical thing. https://www.ggpoker.com/house-rules/ Also is there a way to calculate rake paid? When I figured out that PokerCraft doesn't include rake I tried to calculate the rake based on the FPs I collected. I got 550 FPs today, which corresponds to \$5.50 in rake, if I'm not mistaken (1 FP for \$0.01 https://www.ggpoker.com/poker-promot...uffet-rewards/). Adding that to the \$4.31 I lost (based on PokerCraft) + \$0.50 I got as rakeback I should have lost \$9.31, but my balance is missing \$10.38. So either PokerCraft isn't tracking results correctly or something is off with FPs received & rake generated, or money is magically disappearing somehow?
02-14-2018, 05:11 AM   #419
ontheupandup
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by AndreasAU79 GGPoker's house rules state that players are allowed to play a maximum of 4 tables at the same time, can anyone verify that? I was unaware of it since I played there for the first time today and the software didn't prevent me from sitting on a 5th table, which I assume would have been the most logical thing. https://www.ggpoker.com/house-rules/
Wtf really? I was completely unaware of this 'rule'.

02-14-2018, 07:10 AM   #420
AndreasAU79
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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 Originally Posted by ontheupandup Wtf really? I was completely unaware of this 'rule'.
I was stunned when I read it, even more stunned that the software doesn't automatically stop you from sitting at more tables. (which Unibet does for example)

 02-14-2018, 02:29 PM #421 the4bettingmonk old hand   Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,595 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc Fairly worrying that every email from GGnetwork looks like it was written by a lawyer. It's as if they expect the feds to bust the door down any minute.
 02-15-2018, 08:10 AM #422 AndreasAU79 centurion   Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 106 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc Regarding the multi-tabling rule I mentioned yesterday, I informed a streamer who was unaware of it and he contacted Support, turns out it was an old rule and they have just changed it to the following: "GGPoker allows players to actively play as many tables as they want on desktop, and up to a maximum of four tables at the same time on mobile devices."
 02-22-2018, 06:48 PM #424 Eselsbrucke banned   Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 20 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc I would be very careful about doing business with this site. I have had several friends tell me they have had their accounts closed and money taken. They seem to use a vague definition of bum hunting or "predatory behaviour" to justify the bans. I know a couple of them were indeed bum hunting to a minor extent but some of them were almost certainly not. I get the feeling they basically ban winning regs who they feel cash out too much from the site. They also refuse to give detailed explanations to justify the decisions to ban players and take money and will refuse to consider reversing the decision.
 02-22-2018, 10:15 PM #425 ArnijsBarnijs grinder   Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 514 Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc isn't Natural8 regulated in UK? so why not fill a complain?

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