There is no such thing at all-in or fold games. It is a constant fee per every hand. As shown in my screenshot it is 10 cents per every hand at $0.5/$1.
Yes, I am. It would be very greedy to take half away considering the very low jackpot payout. If you take half away then it would cost you ~3k to win $600 from jackpot at $0.5/$1.

The rakeback issue is the same for Omaha cash game anyways.

OK, thanks.

I'm a little puzzled here - you're saying you are taking the jackpot contribution into account, but then go on to say it would be very greedy, as if you believe they aren't deducting it.

I might be out of my depth here again as I don't play there, but if the jackpot contribution goes towards a jackpot that is paid back to players, they certainly can't be expected to pay rakeback on that. But if I'm misunderstanding, then never mind me and carry on.

The jackpot payout is ridiculously low considering the high fee, so I don't see why it wouldn't count. It should be written in rakeback t&c.

Also, I would like to mention that I have played on almost every poker network and never thought that any of them are rigged, but I wouldn't be surprised if ggnetwork turned out to have superuser bots or rigged rng. I don't have nearly enough hands to prove it, but it's just a suspicion.

I observed all-in cash games and there were quite a large amount of players that would chase the jackpot by making lose calls with low suited connectors so I thought with slightly adjusted snapshove ranges I surely could beat the rake. After ~4k hands I gave up as it doesn't seem possible. There are players that would constantly call with low connectors and win every time and a very large number of coolers make the ev chart look normal. Also, some players would constantly sit out and sit in with no apparent reason.

Hey guys
I registered in VietBet.eu yestetday to start playing at GG net.
But the page that I need to download the poker client from is down and live chat said it's a server issue for security update and stuff.
Is anyone else having issues with poker client?

How do you know this? Do you know how much they take in total via jackpot contributions, and exactly how much they pay out?

Because any rakeback they pay on contributions that actually come back to players is 100% pure loss for the site.

AFAIK, it's not uncommon for sites to take a portion of jackpot/bad beat contributions for admin or whatever they like to call their cut - but that's usually going to be a small portion. If the network is taking a huge portion of the jackpot contributions, that's a pretty big issue.

My calculations for $0.5/$1 jackpot game:
Contribution fee per hand: $0.044
Odds of making straight or royal flush: ~1:65k
Total contribution to hit jackpot: ~$2.8k

Current jackpot: ~$631k
Payout for hitting jackpot at $0.5/$1: 0.1% which is $631

So that's about 22% payout.

None of that really matters; what's important is how much goes into the jackpot, and how much is paid out.

Of course if your numbers are correct, and they looked the same across all games/stakes that contribute, that would be a problem.

Did a little research myself, and found this:

https://www.ggpoker.com/help/poker-faq/

If it were me, my issue would be with this. If I'm understanding that correctly, 50% of the jackpot fee is essentially rake.

I think my calculations mean that they are profiting about 78% from the jackpot contribution. Even if they add it all to the jackpot it's still indirect profit until it reaches 100% payout. It's the same principle as in progressive slots and you won't find any with lower than 90% payout.

gg have got a UK license, do they just have an app to play on? no client, though i gae seen someone playing on twitch via client

Not sure what you mean - they say they've got windows and macos desktop apps, along with android and ios mobile apps. I downloaded the windows one today fine.

Your calculations mean they are profiting about 78% at your game and stake with the current jackpot size. They say they are profiting 50%. Either one seems pretty high, and you need to factor that in when you determine if these games are +EV to play. At least 50% of those jackpot contributions are effectively rake, and of course you won't be getting RB on it either.

Luckily it's not quite a correct understanding.

The game does not collect rake in the traditional way - pot can be folded preflop or 4-way all-in for 10.000$, it will be the same amount of rake collected.

Rake is collected as a fee paid by each player, every hand before the game starts. At 0.10/0.25, this fee is 2c. 1c will go directly into the jackpot. 1c is collected as rake - this will generate rakeback. Each hand therefore adds 0.35c rakeback (assuming the standard 35% GGpoker deal), 1c to the jackpot and 0,65c to GGpoker.

If we wanted to find a shady practice here, it's the fact that you can never win more than 1% of the jackpot. This means that the jackpot will be a big pile of enticing money that you can never win. This is probably meant as advertising though, as GGpoker generally has a very low level of rake, but looks and feels shady.
Just look at their tourneys, if you want to get a feel for their vision of the raketabel. 5% rake, before 35% rakeback. T$ tournaments are rake-free. Staking is rake-free. 100k monthly tournament leaderboard. I don't see another network matching that. (Which is why I worry about the longterm health of the network)

The wording wasn't very clear, so it certainly could be this, and that would make sense. In that case, as you say, RB certainly wouldn't (and shouldn't) apply to the jackpot potion.

And is it constantly growing? If so, that would explain the poster's assertion that the payback is a low %. Now, it could be that the network didn't think this through or calculate things correctly, and will at some point adjust the structure in some way so that more is paid out. If they don't and just continue to allow the jackpot to grow, one has to question what their intention is.

https://calvinayre.com/2017/10/25/po...st-day-office/

It's not just all-in or fold game. I also played some PLO and the rakeback was about 50% lower than it should be.

It's true that they probably have the lowest tournament fees. I generally like the software and all the other cool features it has, but there are too many red flags.

Maybe you didnt realize Player Value Index was in play - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=27

No, I didn't. There's nothing said about it in their t&c. My value index might be pretty low, but their scam index is at 100.

GG Network recently got a UK Gambling licence so shows at least the network isn't going to vanish hopefully.

Hey guys.
So I recently Joined Natural8.
I have a problem with software.
I'm at a Windows 10. There is 3 option as in table view in upper right corner.
First one from tight is "Tile Tables". In most rooms when you use this option , any number of tables that are open resize to your monitor scale and you can see all the tables. (Obv based on your monitor size , number of tables you can see at the same time differs)
But in this software When I click Tile Tables , it just tiles 2 tables in the center and that's it. The rest go behind these two! And you have no direct access to them. you have to minimize this (for example) to see the table below.
What is your guys option's for multi tabling in this situation!?

Shouldn’t happen, should tile as per normal 4 tables fully visible on screen. Maybe contact their tech support

GGpoker just won a UK licence and launched last week. Very surprised considering how many claims there were of shady activity on the site.

Really? I don't find it at all surprising. If they were to not give licenses to sites for which posters have popped up every few weeks or months with their super using, rigged site, and other accusations, they wouldn't be able to license any site.

Hi
As it turned out it was because of my screen resolution. When I tried it on a full HD screen it worked fine and tiled 6 tables.
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24/7 fast , reliable and helpful support...

should we trust this network?

So far , Software is one of the greatest in the business , if not the best!
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