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Old 08-13-2020, 08:59 AM   #2476
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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It is at n8 plo page, 5% 1.5bb-3bb depends on stakes. VIP games cap at 1bb
preflop 3B+ with no flop still raked
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:19 AM   #2477
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Looks like as of today the PLO games are no longer uncapped by rake is going from 3 to 5%.

I don't see it posted anywhere what the cap will be at specific limits, anyone know?
Is the good news or bad news for the plo grinders ?!
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:57 AM   #2478
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For PLO100 and lower it now seems like a no brainer that GG is the best by a wide margin once you consider the rakeback (I am aware at how misleading it is but it's still something). Also the daily leaderboards are pretty good. Also the high hand payouts.

I wonder if pokerstars will do anything at all to respond to what GG is doing or if they will continue to just keep self sabotaging themselves.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:46 PM   #2479
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

so the rake for PLO got lower, right?
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:05 PM   #2480
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

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Is the good news or bad news for the plo grinders ?!
Capped rake is generally a better thing.

I believe they are pretty much falling in line with what everyone else is doing.

Its on GG website as well now
https://en.ggpoker.com/poker-games/omaha/

Assuming I'm understanding it correctly, under the new system you will pay more rake on smaller pots but the cap comes into affect once a pot hits $15.

Pot on a $25 table
5 - 3% = 15 cents, 5% = 25 cents
10 - 3% = 30 cents, 5% = 50 cents
15 - 3% = 45 cents, 5% = 75 cents and cap hit
20 - 3% = 60 cents, 5% = 75 cents
25 - 3% = 75 cents, 5% = 75 cents
30 - 3% = 90 cents, 5% = 75 cents
35 - 3% = $1.05, 5 % = 75 cents
and so on

i think this hurts the $10 tables a bit, should be a bit better for 25s and is much better for 50s and beyond.

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Old 08-13-2020, 07:26 PM   #2481
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Which currency to withdraw from GGPOKER

Hi,

Iím hoping a UK player can Offer some advice on which currency to select when withdrawing from GGPoker. I previously withdrew in usd but I was charged a non sterling transaction fee from my bank (£7 On a withdrawal of £261). What Iím wondering is if it would be better to select gbp before withdrawing. I will
Likely incur a poorer exchange rate from gg but would avoid a non sterling fee. Does anyone have any experience of this and could advise?

Thanks
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Old 08-14-2020, 05:01 AM   #2482
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PLO 100 tables are taking 3 dollars even though the new rake is supposed to be a 2 dollar max. Anyone know what's up with that?
After watching a PLO 50 table they are charging 3 dollars rake there as well. The new rake posted is not what is being collected.

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Old 08-14-2020, 09:12 AM   #2483
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PLO 100 tables are taking 3 dollars even though the new rake is supposed to be a 2 dollar max. Anyone know what's up with that?
After watching a PLO 50 table they are charging 3 dollars rake there as well. The new rake posted is not what is being collected.
Could just be some incorrect code. Could email support about it.

Keep us posted if you see it resolved.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:35 AM   #2484
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Could just be some incorrect code. Could email support about it.

Keep us posted if you see it resolved.
big hand jackpot fee?

https://www.natural8.com/promotions/big-hand-jackpot
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Old 08-14-2020, 11:49 AM   #2485
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That would seem to make sense.

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Old 08-15-2020, 09:45 AM   #2486
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

They really don't give a ****. I finally got a reply about disconnection issues. The basically said tough **** if you don't like it stop playing on our site.

"I would advise if you continue to have issues, that you stop playing on GGPoker"
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Old 08-15-2020, 08:48 PM   #2487
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

as a serious recreational player/wannabe pro, i've recently seen too many complaints about ggpoker banning winnings players and confiscating their funds. since it's the best option in my territory to play, i was wondering if the ggpoker skin does it or the network itself? for example natural8 has the same attitude? as a player who does never chose tables, just click to the 'open' button and play whatever he's seated, is it possible that it would happen to me as well?
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Old 08-15-2020, 09:03 PM   #2488
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Watch the newest DAT Poker podcast, the guys cover the hole issue pretty in depth. True DNegs is paid by GG, but still gives a in my view pretty objective opinion. Base line is as long as you are not doing anything shady you are not just randomly getting banned. The hole GG is banning winners thing is looking like another SM BS trend.
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Old 08-15-2020, 09:54 PM   #2489
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

Can someone please inform me what happens if you win multiple tickets to the same tournament? i.e. GGMasters and/or WSOP
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:33 AM   #2490
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as a serious recreational player/wannabe pro, i've recently seen too many complaints about ggpoker banning winnings players and confiscating their funds. since it's the best option in my territory to play, i was wondering if the ggpoker skin does it or the network itself? for example natural8 has the same attitude? as a player who does never chose tables, just click to the 'open' button and play whatever he's seated, is it possible that it would happen to me as well?
They are all the same network and have the same terms and conditions.
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:36 AM   #2491
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Watch the newest DAT Poker podcast, the guys cover the hole issue pretty in depth. True DNegs is paid by GG, but still gives a in my view pretty objective opinion. Base line is as long as you are not doing anything shady you are not just randomly getting banned. The hole GG is banning winners thing is looking like another SM BS trend.
He is a mouthpiece for the site. More rake is better and all that. Even a small bit of research shows what he is saying is not true.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...66&postcount=6

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...6&postcount=21
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:35 AM   #2492
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They are all the same network and have the same terms and conditions.
i know, but if people are being honest about they didn't violate the TOS and the site is doing that to get rid of winning regulars, i thought it might be different from skin to skin maybe.

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Old 08-16-2020, 05:44 AM   #2493
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i know, but if people are being honest about they didn't violate the TOS and the site is doing that to get rid of winning regulars, i thought it might be different from skin to skin maybe.
No, you can think of them as the same site. So if you have any trust issues with one that extends to the other. They will operate all the same rules and practices on all the different skins.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:09 AM   #2494
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Re: GGNetwork: Natural8, etc

I would like to open an Account on GGPoker or Natural8.

Can anyone suggest me a Site ore something in order to register with the best Deal possible?
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Old 08-16-2020, 11:57 AM   #2495
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No, you can think of them as the same site. So if you have any trust issues with one that extends to the other. They will operate all the same rules and practices on all the different skins.
This is absolutley incorrect.
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:03 PM   #2496
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This is absolutley incorrect.
Usually when you correct someone it is kind of important to say why. Please do enlighten us.
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:15 PM   #2497
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i know, but if people are being honest about they didn't violate the TOS and the site is doing that to get rid of winning regulars, i thought it might be different from skin to skin maybe.
Problem is that their TOS are deliberately vague and are written in a way that gives them almost the right to do whatever they want. Also i have the impression that they dont really care to clarify or justify their decisionmaking, unlese there is bad publicity.
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:16 PM   #2498
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Usually when you correct someone it is kind of important to say why. Please do enlighten us.
There are different deals between the skins and GG. Some are just mirrors and others have free reign like N8.

Different skins have different requirements, fees, and many other aspects. A player can get banned on GG and open an account on an independent skin, like didd1 did. GG does NOT have access to N8's sign up info. When that player verified then the info was run through GG which triggered the closure.

GG has final say, but ever skin most definitely does not have the same rules or arrangement with the network.
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:38 PM   #2499
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There are different deals between the skins and GG. Some are just mirrors and others have free reign like N8.

Different skins have different requirements, fees, and many other aspects. A player can get banned on GG and open an account on an independent skin, like didd1 did. GG does NOT have access to N8's sign up info. When that player verified then the info was run through GG which triggered the closure.

GG has final say, but ever skin most definitely does not have the same rules or arrangement with the network.
But the player claims that he had already verified his account without any issues. It was supposedly only after a more recent verification process (we all know that basically all/most sites tend to ask for verification documents even for already verified accounts at some point) that they discovered he had already been banned from the network. (in this case it was due to the use of real names instead of nicknames in high stakes games)

By the way, could you explain in what way N8 has free reign? (I'm simply curious as a player.. )
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But the player claims that he had already verified his account without any issues. It was supposedly only after a more recent verification process (we all know that basically all/most sites tend to ask for verification documents even for already verified accounts at some point) that they discovered he had already been banned from the network. (in this case it was due to the use of real names instead of nicknames in high stakes games)



By the way, could you explain in what way N8 has free reign? (I'm simply curious as a player.. )
The player had to verify with the skin, internally. When it went to real names, his name was in the database and banned. Not a pro or anti comment, just how it came about. I think that is proof that N8 has their own support/back office.

I'm not privy to N8's deal obviously, but would guess they would have put up more capital, created their own independent back office, and run pretty much as a stand alone site. They share player pool with GG, but can add their own games at will, make special deals, have far different affiliate agreements, etc.... There are sites that cater to very specific regions, too.

I have an interest in buying a skin from some network in the next 12 months. I've looked into the possible deals from more than one site. This seems to be pretty standard. You can operate as a mirror and use the network's entire back office and support or go almost independent and the minutia details are not just a template. There can be great leeway depending on the commitment of energy, staff, and capital.

It's not a GG thing, sites that offer the opportunity to own/run a skin on their network all negotiate this. The group that runs GG is out of Canada and my personal history in speaking with them was nothing but courteous and professional. I openly asked questions and at no time were their answers evasive or vague. They have two pet peeves across their network, use of AI and bumhunting, direct or indirect. They will issue a warning and if the activity does not change immediately they will no hesitate one second to lock up the account. The big public cases, to my knowledge, closed by having the principal deposit returned and the balance refunded to the players affected (not vouching or declaring it is absolute, just what I read).

I do have firsthand knowledge of players that have won over my year of exposure with the network and they still play, deposit, and withdraw as they like.

Some skins offer different deposit bonuses, private games, cashier options, and even verification processes.
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