Don't think it will help, but I too had it crash somewhat often, and it randomly stopped.

What do you think about the Albanians at 500nl? They all play the same, 3b/4b a ton for small sizes, use weird sizes postflop, I have had a few hands vs them where I really suspected they were colluding. They seem quite bad, I have them all marked as probable fish but they play every day and a lot of tables so I dont know.

None.

Had same issue, you need all your monitors with same resolution in 4K.

So solution is to dump your laptop and get a desktop and two monitors running with exact same resolution and settings

Hello

I am having technical difficulties while grinding on GGpoker. I notice very frequent client crashes(normally tables freeze and client doesnt respond or client just suddenly closes).

Anyone knows what I could do?

Thanks

If you feel that the games on GG are good, that the rakeback seems generous, but you find that cannot beat the games after rakeback, and can't quite work out why, this post is crucial.

There is an absolutely key misconception about PVI, which GG really get away with.

The misconception is that the average PVI is 1.

It is most definitely not. Part of the reason this misconception comes about is that the starting PVI is 1. It of course quickly changes. Think of all the PVI's you hear of, and read on here. Yes, we may hear from regs only, but fish make up only roughly 15% of the player pool, and their absolute max PVI is 2.0. My best guess is that the average PVI is 0.4, but I would bet my life it is no higher than 0.6.

Along with their deliberate hiding of PVI, and the absolutely crucial nature of it (a ton of regs would win after rakeback if their PVI was 1.0, but are losing after rakeback because their PVI is 0.4), the average PVI misconception is one of the true scummy things that GG do. The worst part is that on, say, a $1,000 fish wheel, it advertises the top $1,000 prize as "100% cashback." This is bad for two reasons:

1) It implies that everyone's PVI is 1.0. For a player with a PVI of 0.2, getting even the top prize is only 20% cashback, not 100% cashback.

Many people would know this. But very few are aware of the second.

2) Even if you allow them the leeway of "cashback" meaning "average cashback", this is NOT the case. That implies that the average PVI is 1.0, which it most definitely is not, and so is a deliberate misrepresentation.

A further misconception that some have is that they assume that someone that breaks even in the games has a PVI of 1.0. This is already wrong because of course breaking even after rake in a high rake game means you are performing far better than average.

However, some would then say, that if you break even before rake, you are indeed an average player, and so surely must have a PVI of 1.0. This is also not correct.

After briefly starting at 1.0, anyone who shows that they are a winner before rake (a better than average player) quickly gets moved down to 0.5 and below. The CEO of GG has many times admitted that GG is not meant for winning players, and does not want to produce winning players. The PVI system is deliberately designed, and parts of it well disguised, to make it impossible for almost everyone to win

And we haven't even yet mentioned the 1BB for the High hand jackpot, from which the average cashback is alot lower than people think.

IS PVI affected in tournament rake or just cash

is the 1BB jackpot bullshit calculated in HEM3 for rake paid?

Post is spot on.

IMPORTANT

Im gathering information about client crash on GG network and to identify the bottleneck of the problem. If you experience client crash, please contact me here.

I do.

My issues are probably related to 4K resolution. This seem to have been always an issue with GG software.

Usually software crash when I open replayer, pokercraft etc and have some tables, happens a few time a day.

More table opens worst it is usually

I have issues with getting kicked out from the tables / client. It doesn't allways crash it just kicks me out.

And a question about the handhistories to trackers are those anonymous like party?

I Play low MTT promotions for ranking also. Now i discovered that final event is 100$heats 2mil guranteed...
I do not know what GGpoker thinks, but formula sqrt(total prizepoool/place)*2 for first... isnt work
Winner of that event will get aproximately 3000 points. Small 5$winner gets 200 points...
So basically you are locked 1 event ranking winner...Even final table guys get very high in ranking...

I created this spreadsheet to be able to find out what could cause the crash on GG. It takes 5min to fill and I hope we can find a pattern together

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

anyone happen to know if the guys at PT4 are going to fix so GG hands that have been "run 3 times" can be uploaded to DB?

or what are u guys doing about that?

It's not simply a misconception. GGPoker explicitly state that PVI on average is 1. From the new Fish Party rewards page:

Im not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that this isn't really a player misconception - GG state up front that this is the case. So you are claiming GG is being dishonest.

"On average, players will be rewarded 100 Fish Buffet points for every $1 paid in rake and fees."

I don't even understand what a claim like that might mean. Doesn't it depend on the PVI of the players contributing the rake? E.g. if Player A and Player B play a pot which is raked at $10, if they both have a PVI of 1, they will both receive 500 points, right? What if they both have a PVI of 0.5? Or 1.5?

There aren't affiliate rakeback anymore? What about those that offer "rake races"?

This sounds low to me - even if you intended it to mean that fish only account for 15% of play, as opposed to only 15% of (active) accounts belonging to fish.
I could believe that the mean PVI across all accounts is 1 but that those with lower PVI tend to play more.

Apologizes for dumb question !

But what does PVI stand for ?

Cheers

Personal value something I imagine. Basically it's a formula that makes sure winning be players get the minimum from the rb system.

One gets 250. One gets 750

Why would they get different amounts if they both have a PVI of 0.5?

If you mean that the total 1000 points get distributed based on their relative PVI and they both get 500, that's an interesting theory, but there is no evidence it works that way. They could easily just get 250 each and the other 500 "disappears". But then if two 1.5 players get into the same situation do they both get 750? There is no information on how it works.

The player accepted insurances two times on Flop and Turn.


[Flop]
Outs: 8 (QdQhJsJdJcTsThTc) >> Odds: 2.7
Payout: $20.25
Premium: Payout / Odds = $7.50
[Turn]
Outs: 11 (QdQhJsJdJcTsThTc7d7h7c) >> Odds: 1.7
Payout: $7.51
Premium: Payout / Odds = $4.42


One of Outs (7c) was dropped on River, so the player succeeded the second insurance.
The payout was $7.51 and the premium ($7.50) for Flop insurance was deducted from the payout.
So, the player received $0.01 in this case

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OK someone explain this to me like I'm 2.

Villain has an 8-outer and hero takes insurance.

Villain improves to an 11-outer on the turn, and GG forces the second round of insurance on the terms above.

Villain hits his 11-outer, and hero receives a net payout of $0.01 for insurance.

Hero has the best of it all the way through, 85% and 75% (roughly) on the flop and turn, insures the hand for almost 25% of the total pot in premiums, and winds up with a penny.

How does that work?

It is indeed dishonest. I agree that the statement you have found is the same as saying 'The average PVI (per hand played) is 1. These are three ways of arguing this to be incorrect

1) That would mean that a player who breaks even before rakehas a PVI of 1.0. I have tracked PVI figures from the start of a new account, and that is not the case.

2) For a reasonable estimating process, think of the PVIs you as a reg have had, have read from regs on here, and have heard reg friends quote. They average far less than 1.0. Yes, that doesn't take into account fish, but they make up a small percentage of the player pool. However, then the fact that regs play alot more hands than fish makes the average PVI *per hand* (which is what the GG statistic refers to) far lower than 1.0. What actually lets down the average PVI is the cap at 2.0. Not that we would want this to be the case, but it would need the big losers to have much higher PVIs for the average to be 1.0

3) Think of the average lineup of a table at any point. This of course represents the PVI per hand played, not the PVI per account (which would be weighted up by alot of rarely active fish accounts). Its fair to say that the average lineup is at best 5 regs, one fish. I.e. its more often 6 regs, 0 fish than it is 4 regs, 2 fish. I think a very fair estimate of those 6 PVIs would be 0. 2, 0.2, 0.3, 0.5, 0.6, 2.0. The 2.0 for the fish may not even be that high. This overly fair estimate gives us an average PVI of 0.63.

For GG, dishonesty is not an unthinkable thing. They are in fact dishonest, or at the very least deliberately misleading, on the main fish wheel page. On the $1,000 fish wheel ($1,000 in the sense that it takes $1,000 of rake to get there if your PVI is 1.0, and the top prize is $1,000) it lists, for example, the $400 prize as being '40% cashback.' There isn't even an asterix to say, *this depends on PVI, and assumes an average PVI of 1* This is deliberately misleading, to the point of being dishonest.

There is another strong example of dishonesty from GG. Until about May 2019, there was no PVI system evident, but the fish wheel was completely rigged, depending on how you had done in the play making up that wheel. They effectively completely admitted this in an email of May 2019, talking about a change in the fish wheel. This was an unofficial PVI system, before the actual system. This definitely qualifies as deliberately misleading. Firstly, they know that presenting it like a casino fish wheel gives the implication that it is random. Worse, they had the same advertised probabilities, for example '1,500 in every 10,000 spins.' This as good as stated that it was random, which was a lie. After heavy criticism, they changed to what is now a random fish wheel, but, by changing the PVI system to slow the rate at which players accumulated points, they achieved EXACTLY the same outcome. For example, in the previous system, a player with a PVI of 0.3 would reach the fish wheel after the same amount of rake as everyone else, but would on average receive only 30% of the stated average prize. Now, they get the stated average prize, but it takes them 3.33 (1/0.3) times as much rake to get there. 30% of the average prize over time, EXACTLY the same outcome.

GG really highlighted that they were not afraid to be deceitful by sending an email to all players, stating that they were happy this meant 'fairness and equality for all players.' They knew fully well that they had found a different way of achieving the same thing, and that in fact nothing had changed.

Another example of GG being more than happy to be deliberately misleading is being happy for agents to advertise a '60% flat rakeback deal' Almost no agent even mentions the crucial asterix of *This depends on a well disguised PVI system. If you are a reg, PVI will mean that you in fact only receive 30%, probably as little as 12%, rakeback.

wow gg just flashed crashed on me for 2 mins. tried logging in said unstable server connection. its back on now