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08-18-2020 , 06:13 PM
The lack of any Hilo games does not for me. Anyways getting 90$ twice then getting 80$ for triple the action sours me enough to stop playing. I’ll go back to stars where I can get my Hilo on. Unless I completely missed the option to play Hilo on gg. I mean they have shortdeck but no Hilo
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08-18-2020 , 10:35 PM
No PLO8 games yet.

Would be nice if they offered that eventually, definitely my favourite game.

Good luck on stars!
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08-19-2020 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigchipleader
What I don’t get is the drop off. I get top rake back one day, and two days later I’m dropped to the complete bottom tier. My play didn’t change if anything I feel they just cheaped me out cause my roll was low.
The spins are random, they are not affected by your play or by how well you span previously. You win some, you lose some.
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08-19-2020 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DingusEgg
Rake is always based on raked hands and the PVI.

The more you win, the less rakeback you get.

Although you may have moved up in levels, that doesn't mean you're going to get more rakeback. If you are having a winning week or month they are going to give you less rakeback.

Its an incentive for losing players to stay on the site because they get more rakeback.

The PVI is basically a multiplier.

Winning players have a PVI of less than 1
Losing players have a PVI of greater than 1

From what I can tell this is how it works:

$100 is raked by 2 players in a single session
Player A is a winner and has a PVI of .5
Player B is a loser and has a PVI of 1.5

Player A gets $50 rakeback added to their total for the week
Player B gets $150 rakeback added to their total for the week

Player A could rake $700 for the week and only get credit for $350 and then get 20% of that back for a total of $70.

Player B could rake $700 for the week and get cred for $1050 and then get 20% of that back for $210

Stop winning and you'll get more rakeback

Just started on here 2 weeks ago. Where's the source of that information?

I read on GG that 1FP=$0.01c rake
So 15000 FP/$150 rake.

No idea at all about PVI/Rake system. But the above figures are surly static.
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08-19-2020 , 11:09 AM
^ next time before you start a session:

- note your balance
- note current FP amount

when you're done playing:

- check balance
- new FP amount
- look up your ''winnings'' in pokercraft to see how much you raked

I almost guarantee you the amount of accumulated FP does not match your rake paid.
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08-19-2020 , 01:06 PM
They say that we are allowing players from Turkey but in Turkey their website is forbidden and can't connect without VPN. I downloaded the app and playing without VPN on app but I am using VPN to connect Cashier on the website.
Do you think do they gonna ban me?
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08-19-2020 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nickwolf
They say that we are allowing players from Turkey but in Turkey their website is forbidden and can't connect without VPN. I downloaded the app and playing without VPN on app but I am using VPN to connect Cashier on the website.
Do you think do they gonna ban me?
That is skin specific. I can say with 100% certainty that Turkish players can join and play without use of VPNs.

If you use a VPN on a skin that does not accept Turks and you play wsop or marquee games, you will have a problem.
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08-19-2020 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
^ next time before you start a session:

- note your balance
- note current FP amount

when you're done playing:

- check balance
- new FP amount
- look up your ''winnings'' in pokercraft to see how much you raked

I almost guarantee you the amount of accumulated FP does not match your rake paid.
This is true. I play a lot of all in or fold which is "raked" at 30c/hand at the 1/2 blind level in PLO (it's not really a traditional rake, it's a flat 30c fee per hand dealt). If I look in Pokercraft after a session and compare number of hands played vs points earned, I can see my PVI is about 0.5 although I am down over 6k (after rake) on those games in the last month, and I've never been a winner in the games over any significant sample. My pre-rake EV line is positive though, so I suspect that's why.
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08-19-2020 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
This is true. I play a lot of all in or fold which is "raked" at 30c/hand at the 1/2 blind level in PLO (it's not really a traditional rake, it's a flat 30c fee per hand dealt). If I look in Pokercraft after a session and compare number of hands played vs points earned, I can see my PVI is about 0.5 although I am down over 6k (after rake) on those games in the last month, and I've never been a winner in the games over any significant sample. My pre-rake EV line is positive though, so I suspect that's why.
Are you sure? I don't think AoF uses PVI. I just played 11 hands of AoF hold'em and got the number of points I expected (220). I'm similar to you in terms of how I'm running (a winner pre-rake but I'm yet to hit the jackpot so I'm down overall).
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08-19-2020 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mickyb
Are you sure? I don't think AoF uses PVI. I just played 11 hands of AoF hold'em and got the number of points I expected (220). I'm similar to you in terms of how I'm running (a winner pre-rake but I'm yet to hit the jackpot so I'm down overall).
I'll double check but yeah, relatively sure, I played 1400 hands which is $420 in rake and my points went up by about ~20k. I think that works out at 0.5 PVI?
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08-19-2020 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I'll double check but yeah, relatively sure, I played 1400 hands which is $420 in rake and my points went up by about ~20k. I think that works out at 0.5 PVI?
Actually, if the fee is 50% rake and 50% jackpot drop and you get points for the rake portion only that would also make sense.
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08-19-2020 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Actually, if the fee is 50% rake and 50% jackpot drop and you get points for the rake portion only that would also make sense.
It's 0.05bb rake, 0.05bb jackpot, 0.05bb bingo, so 1.4k hands at 1/2 should have been 14k points.
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08-19-2020 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mickyb
It's 0.05bb rake, 0.05bb jackpot, 0.05bb bingo, so 1.4k hands at 1/2 should have been 14k points.
Thanks. In which case my PVI might be >1 then, if I got 20k points? Or maybe I did miscount, I'm beginning to doubt myself now...

How do you know those splits? Are they published somewhere?
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08-19-2020 , 08:11 PM
no. Turks who is playing in Turkey cannot reach ggpoker website but after only they downoad the app with VPN.
Anyway we have to use VPN to connect website
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08-19-2020 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Thanks. In which case my PVI might be >1 then, if I got 20k points? Or maybe I did miscount, I'm beginning to doubt myself now...

How do you know those splits? Are they published somewhere?
https://en.ggpoker.com/poker-games/all-in-or-fold/
https://ggpoker.co.uk/promotions/all-in-or-fold-bingo/

Not sure why they don't mention the bingo fee on the first page - I managed to pay $4.5k in fees before I realised I was being charged 60 cents per hand, not 40 cents! But the fees themselves are fair enough, I think.
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08-19-2020 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mickyb
https://en.ggpoker.com/poker-games/all-in-or-fold/
https://ggpoker.co.uk/promotions/all-in-or-fold-bingo/

Not sure why they don't mention the bingo fee on the first page - I managed to pay $4.5k in fees before I realised I was being charged 60 cents per hand, not 40 cents! But the fees themselves are fair enough, I think.
Thanks for the links. First page seems out of date - the default buy-ins are all wrong, but the splits make sense. Next time I play an AoF session I'll take a note of my starting points balance and see if I can make the numbers add up at the end.

On a slightly diff note, I'm on the shark level and about 60% of the way to the 100k points I need to spin the wheel. If I hit the $100 on the wheel I'm gonna flip my sh/t
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08-19-2020 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nickwolf
no. Turks who is playing in Turkey cannot reach ggpoker website but after only they downoad the app with VPN.
Anyway we have to use VPN to connect website
You are wrong. It is as I stated above.

It is skin dependent
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08-19-2020 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Thanks for the links. First page seems out of date - the default buy-ins are all wrong, but the splits make sense.
Good spot. I think they've managed to roll the page back to a previous version, the buy-ins were correct a few days ago.

I don't know how to break this to you, but it's almost one-in-four that your first shark spin will be $100!
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08-19-2020 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Thanks for the links. First page seems out of date - the default buy-ins are all wrong, but the splits make sense. Next time I play an AoF session I'll take a note of my starting points balance and see if I can make the numbers add up at the end.

On a slightly diff note, I'm on the shark level and about 60% of the way to the 100k points I need to spin the wheel. If I hit the $100 on the wheel I'm gonna flip my sh/t
That’s what happened to me. I hit whale and hit the second worst 80$ I sorta flipped my ****.
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08-19-2020 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigchipleader
That’s what happened to me. I hit whale and hit the second worst 80$ I sorta flipped my ****.
While on whale I hit 40 once and 320 twice, somewhere in between for the other spin(s), so ran pretty well overall there.
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08-19-2020 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DingusEgg
No PLO8 games yet.

Would be nice if they offered that eventually, definitely my favourite game.

Good luck on stars!
+1 would love to see GG add some Omaha HL
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08-20-2020 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
You are wrong. It is as I stated above.

It is skin dependent
he is says goverment ban poker sites (software is fine) u cant reach sites but u can play with software dilemma starting here because ggpoker cashier based web page but u cant reach with turkish ip web page internet providers/goverment blocked.u need vpn not for software.software is fine with turkish ip for me i use opera vpn for pokercraft so my baseline ip turkish for software but if you need deposit you need use vpn for web page.when i asking gg support they say u need to use turkish ip but we cant .
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08-20-2020 , 03:25 AM
i think prtscr was invented way before mobie phones with cams
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08-20-2020 , 02:25 PM
the software is constantly freezing and i need to restart the client in order to get it back up - i have a decent build, does anyone know something about this and can help?
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08-20-2020 , 03:11 PM
I withdrew my entire bankroll (only $1k) because it really bothered me that you can check your results on pokercraft, but pokercraft doesn't include rake! That's very misleading. Turned out I wasn't breakeven - I was losing to rake. And my suspicion is that raking 3bet pre-flop pots (that end in a fold, so no flop) is significant even at microstakes, given 3bet %s are way up from a few years ago.
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