My apologies. Was actually going to make a post about how I thought they were banning people based on an algorithm and that looks to be the case.

So shady to be banning winning players systematically while having a roster of team pros representing the site.

Thanks for the info and clarification Mixgrill! I, and I'm sure many others in the online poker community, appreciate you letting us know about your experience there.

Did anyone verified how the All-in insurance work at the Rush & Cash tables? I saw Kyyberi's calculation for the normal tables and the conclusion was that it is slightly -EV but not a ripoff. Is this still the case and also applies at the Rush tables?


I also have another question. What happens if lets say you have AA vs villain KK and are all-in on the flop. You buy insurance for two outs on flop and he binks the turn so you are owed the insured payout. The river is an A so you also win the pot. Do you get the pot and also the insured payout for which you paid on flop OR you only get the pot minus the insurance fee OR you get the full pot without any deduction?


Thank you!

When they banned and confiscated my money the did it during a session (while I was in the middle of playing hands, which was obv nice too)

Could you elaborate on these please?.

In the terms and conditions they claim the right to seize your funds for trivial and/or vague reasons like "bumhunting" "ratholing" etc. as well as "external assistance programs" which is also extremely broad.

They loosely clasp these actions together under "predatory behavior" which is, again, extremely broad.

To be honest I can't understand how a regulator hasn't asked them to change the terms yet - account seizure for bumhunting is unprecedented.

You must be new to online poker.

I am pretty sure it is their internal policy is to strictly warn first (that would be your warning bell to either withdraw and not play anymore, or continue with caution) , and then seize funds and ban on the second occurance, in order to return bumhunted funds to the players that were hit. It would apply to all terms listed in their end user agreement, for example if you used a VPN, you'd be warned, if you used a VPN again, you'd be banned and funds confiscated to give back to players who lost to you while using a VPN. No company can sustain that action as you suggest, it would be pure madness.

The ones claiming 'funds stolen' must be not disclosing alot of info (IMO). And my opinion is not only for GG network, its probable this is a policy applied by all poker sites.

I think you would appreciate this if you were one of the targeted players.

(i'm in no way affiliated with any poker site, this is just my point of view; i've gotten refunds from collusion rings in 50/50sng on PS, tournament payout bump ups due to disqualified players finishing higher than me, etc etc). I can't be for certain, but my assumption is they go after the players who committed the act, before going into their own pocket. I don't play on GG, but again, I am pretty sure this is how it goes.

Great job defending, no, praising a site who stole my funds.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...44/?highlight=
Please tell me what information I did not disclose. I also highly doubt MMAsherdog did something shady.
And LMFAO about the funds being redistributed. I am willing to bet my whole BR they kept the money they took from me.

Sorry NINzent, didn't mean to defend them and offend you, it was just my opinion on what I assumed how all poker companies ran. Maybe I just jumped the gun on this without reading it through totally. Just a lurker on 2+2 really, reading random threads. And didn't know about your own thread.
Seems kind of harsh, their action, if it was borderline bumhunting, and you were winning, maybe just return your money and GTFO of here is proper action by them.
But it's exactly how I described. You got warned for it, you came back at your own discretion and got nailed, in their eyes, for bumhunting again i guess....but i'm curious, why don't you believe they return funds back to players? Wouldn't they get audit like every year by the gaming commission and need to prove, through hand histories, where the funds are moving?

Anybody the same problem that they never get more than half the max from this fish buffet rake back thing?
Either I am the unluckiest person in the world or... this is suspicious!
I get far less than the expected value ist.

Anybody same "problem"?

Are the cash games raked pre flop? This is the rake structure from their site and it says pots below 2.5bb are not raked?

https://gyazo.com/544740882d68547fe075f371e4e165f8

Yeah they are raked preflop, but only if someone 3-bets.

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I've gotten the max on 4/10 spins so far

How many spins did you have? People posted in this thread before, they had low like 8 out of 10 times.

Not sure but probably around 20.
I get the "whale" stuff.
And i always manage to spike the 40 or 80 but one time in which I hit unbelievable 120.

There is no rng involved in their fish bucket system, what prize you will get depends on your PVI status, if you are wining player you will get bottom prizes if you are depositing player you will receive top prizes when spinning the wheel. Affiliates like worldpokerdeals knows this, but they are still lying that prizes are random to attract more players.

How have you determined this?

I play there regularly and there was only one time when I got not the 10% cashback prize. I heard the same from other winning regs that they always get 10% cashback prize. GGnetwork even mentions this in theirs fish buffet tos "Each respective prize is subject to changes based on your profile, and therefore, some of the factors that may impact prizes are, but not limited to, player behavior, game type, gameplay style, net deposits and social engagements."

Well, I'm glad there's at least something to base your claim on. However, I'll point out that this:

Is substantially different than:

I'm not saying your point is completely invalid, but you were tending towards statement of definite fact that perhaps aren't as well-founded as they could be.

Maybe as a statement is isn't very accurate, I did't said if you are winning or depositing player is the only factor which determines what prize you will get, but is seems from my and other players spin results that I know, its the main factor. Or you are saying it's only my assumption not the fact that there is no rng in spins? Last ~20 spins I got all 10% prizes with frequency for this prize 10-20% on each spin, other player playing similar games and winning had same results which practically is impossible if there would be any rng involved.

their insurance si such a scam. it will give u incorrect odds when u are ahead so that it costs u alot more than it should, their customers service seems to enjoy giving childish answers, not wanna look into things issues and you just get a feeling these ppl dont wanna help and wanna avoid the issue.

Hi Guys,

just wanted to drop a little question regarding Natural8 online poker site.

What is your experiences with this online poker ?? good ? bad ?

I have been playing abit there and im starting to be little worry about how trustworthy is this site.. so would be nice to hear some feedback from community.

thanks!

..good luck..

Their TOS is listed here: https://www.natural8.com/user_agreement

I've flicked through them a couple of times, and it seems that bizarrely, they have forgotten to include any jurisdiction selection in the TOS. Thus, it's not clear from the TOS what laws/rules you're operating under here. That said, they seem to be in the BVI - their offices just seem to be some shonky shared services building, and not a real place of business: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...!9m1!1b1?hl=en

Given all of this, I would not trust these people at all.

Also, this combination of rules is spectacularly dumb from here: https://www.natural8.com/tnc