are there any GGpoker Reps? I have a problem regarding cash withdrawal

for anyone still interested about the "UP TO 100% Rakeback" on GGnetwork I have irrefutable evidence that this claim is up to 100% BS.

prelude: I started playing on BreakoutPoker being very pleased to see that I can get up to 100% RB (since stars drew their last nail in the RB coffin it seemed like this was free money). Made an account with an affiliate and grinded my heart out with a decent winrate for about two or three months. I played 25nl and 50nl and reached the Shark level in the fish buffet in about 3 weeks.

After I reached the whale level in fish buffet almost every spin was 10%. Actually there were two 20% spins and the rest were 10% so I contacted the affiliate reagarding this issue. I also have friends that played there and all of us encountered the same problem. The representative was intrigued too and promised they'll get to the bottom of it and publish the results for all to see.

they contacted 35 of their top grinders and asked them to give them the results of their spins. So they did. They published their results gradually but the final results are these (as published on the affiliate's website):


level 1 is the highest RB and level 6 is the lowest 10%.

but the thing is this: they published the LEVELS (from 1 to 6) NOT the actual percentages. And it makes a BIG BIG difference. I'll try to explain as short as I can.

Take level 1 for instance. If you have CRAB Level in the fish buffet you have to accumulate 5000 points to get a spin. If you reach Shark Level for each spin you have to accumulate 100 000 points. So ONE spin is not the same for all levels judging by how much you have to "work" for it.
The second factor is the PERCENTAGE of RB you get on each level in the Fish Buffet. LEVEL 1 (maximum RB possible) means 50% for CRAB (25$) and 100% for shark (1000$). Again it is very relevant how many of those 25 level 1 hits were shark or Crab level players.

As I described in my last post in this thread (#537) they published the results of the first feedback they got from their players. In 300 spins level 6 (minimum 10%) was hit in over half the time (so more than 150 level 6 hits in 300 spins). Somehow the final results show only 132 level 6 hits, so that number shrank in the final report although there are more spins added

I contacted them again through skype and here is the first part of our conversation. What followed was basically just me looking for more F words in english. I am pretty good at that it seems .


They changed it A BIT. Just a smidge. Just the tip darlin'

This absolutely blows my mind. We've been through alot the last couple of years (thanks D.Negreanu for reasoning how a bowl of s#^& is actually good for our teeth). We don't need help, we'll manage. But affiliates should at least not freaking lie to their players.

The only reason why I don't mention what affiliate I am talking about is the fact that this guy was very civil with me while I was kama sutra-ing his family, family dog, neighbours and future people he'll care about. So man if somehow you are reading this... hat off to you. The force is strong with you ) and I don't want you to lose your job over this.

I want to ask if anybody find the way how to keep stream on twitch more than 60 days? I can see on twitch site '' Now that you have enabled archiving, Twitch will automatically save your broadcasts. For non-turbo users your videos will be saved for 14 days before being deleted. Twitch Partners and Twitch Turbo users will have their broadcasts saved for 60 days before being deleted.''
I am trying natural promotion challenge from 100 to 10000 and they have such condition ''The participant will also be required to include Natural8 in the title of their stream and upload all videos of their stream to twitch.tv.''
and what if it takes more than 60 days? support told me that I have to find the way lol

Is this confirmed true or this poster talking bs? Whale going 2k to 70k at nl2k$ playing 90 vpip is pretty much impossible.

Well, 3 or 4 people posted anecdotes, but no one provided any evidence, and then everyone just moved on. So no, not what I'd call "confirmed true", but also not sure if they were "talking bs".

i saw bluestacks on final table and throught the tournament of 500$ mtt, he was just donking it up, made 2 reentries, and finaly busted on 6th place when called a preflop shove for about 18bb with Q8o

I am winning at NL midstakes now since close to 7 years straight on all major sites and I am 100% sure I got superused on this site.
However it was so soft that I still ended up winning until they banned me and confiscated about 5k of my winnings (see: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...44/?highlight= )
Of course I cannot prove it, because how the **** do you proof such a thing. But after playing millions of hands you just know if something is wrong.
And jayser is a very respectable player too.
Also, on the pokerstrategy forum everyone is complaining about always hitting the lowest % of RB too, I am 100% sure that is rigged aswell.

possible with uncapped buyins

I think Jayser talking bs. Watching games this week observed bluestacks doesn't look even close to super user . If was sure would be outcry from high stakes players who regularly play him but nothing!

well that is kinda obvious. Everything about this network is just funky.
When they absolutely NEVER make public the fact that they caught some colluders it basically means this:
1. No transparency. Why? Every poker site has colluders, it's the nature of the beast.
2. IF they catch one and don't make it public it's for the simple fact that they want to keep the money of that account themselves and not give it back to the players that actually got scammed.
3. Mabe, just mabe they're in on it themselves. I get this is a long shot but as long as they are silent about it nothing is off the table for me

Can US residents play on this site? Looks like a neat site.

Nope.

Site is just pure Toxic. Their TOS says no bum hunting, no Rat holing , no predatory behaviour. They have really bad players no doubt. But the cash game streets is really messy. You can buy in 10 bucks at NL 100, 5 bucks at NL 50.

I had about 5 people hit n run on me lately, I reported it as predatory behaviour, they come in with min, double and leave, goto next table. They don't uphold their TOS.

How so? Is there something in their TOS that prohibits "hit n run"?

Yes. https://www.ggpoker.com/security-ecology-agreement/


11. RATHOLING

Ratholing includes, without limitation, where a player sits at a table with short-stack and upon hitting a certain threshold, he or she deliberately leaves the table, and sits at a new one with a short-stack. If a player is suspected of engaging in ratholing, GGNetwork shall warn the player against such activity. GGNetwork reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to suspend the player for 30 days if repeated breach occurs.

1. PREDATORY BEHAVIOR

Predatory behavior is defined as an activity focused primarily on, but not limited to, exploiting others to gain monetary advantage. Although poker is a game of skill, GGNetwork promises to every player to provide a safe, fun, recreational, and enjoyable game experience. Such predatory behavior is in direct conflict of our promise to the players, and the management team will not tolerate any indication.

If a player exhibits any predatory behavior, GGNetwork, in its sole discretion, shall be entitled, without notice, to suspend the player’s participation in the poker network for 30 days, pending the conclusion of an investigation into the player’s activities. Further, following the conclusion of the investigation, GGNetwork reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to permanently ban the player, and confiscate all funds.



I don't suggest anyone to play on the GGNetwork skin, I been playing for many years, only because it's so soft, but that's it for me after this week having 5 people hit n run come in with a 20 stack at PLO 200, leave goto a next table. I file a complaint and they say they don't find any predatory behaviour. I put it on everything I love this site doesn't uphold or respect their TOS. What Cash games do you know where you can sit with 10 bucks at NL 100, 5 bucks at NL 50.. 100 percent site is soft, but it's toxic.

Oh, I see now. Of course hit and running doesn't appear to be against their TOS, and I don't think it is at any site, but if they're going to another table with less funds, then I suppose they are ratholing. Typically sites prevent it automatically through the software rather than trying to enforce it after the fact, but I gather that isn't happening on GG? That is, if you're correct that's what they're doing, as opposed to playing a bunch of tables before they leave yours, and you assume they've moved. If they are actually moving and back to the original buy-in, I understand your concern.

FWIW, I'd focus on the ratholing part of your complaint, and let the "predatory behavior" part go. If that's all you complained about, I'm not surprised they didn't find any issue, because nothing in what you described sounds predatory to me.

As for being able to sit with super short stacks, that is likely very much a factor in the site being soft. Of course I understand why a lot of people hate it.

I'm done with this company, doesn't say hit n run in TOS, but it is predatory behaviour, pretty much player comes in with 20 bucks at say PLO 200, doubles up goes, happens all the time, after a while u see them on a new table and sometimes instantly or lower stakes. I been playing many years on this skin sent many emails to security but they all say nothing has been broken. Anyways Phil Galfond is the only site I am hoping is the future

No, there is nothing predatory about a player hit and running. I understand why people don't like it, but that's not what predatory means.

I actually think that hit-and-running is more commonly done by weaker players (not always, but more often), and that might be why they're not especially concerned about clamping down on it. Since you're trying to take those players' money, it could be that your play is the predatory behaviour they had in mind. I say that somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely. Perhaps the whole reason they don't software enforce anti-ratholing rules is because they want the discretion to decide when to enforce the rule, and they aren't going to do so when a losing players do it to a winning player.

What kind of players are doing this? If they're fish, perhaps you shouldn't be so upset about it.

But that said, if you don't like it and they won't stop it, then your decision to quit playing there seems wise.

Wow the new "Honeymoon" promo is awful. Todays mission is to play 300 of all in poker, a game which is impossible to profit on. The lowest stakes available is .10/.25 and they are 4 person tables.

It'd literally cost $30+ dollars to complete this challenge. I suspect they will add a bunch of stupid challenges like this to ensure no one is able to complete all 30 days of challenges.

Kenny Bryn should be called out for this BS.

I paid about 3$ rake in the 300 hands + sat down with some fish that were calling 80% of hands to a shove. Seemed profitable for me.
Todays challege is strange tho, "In Hold'Em show all of your hole cards". WTF does that mean? Do I have to show literally ALL of my hole cards, which is impossible while playing more than 1 table? Or do I just need to show them once? Giving unclear challenges to players seems scammy to me.

You mention you paid $3 in rake but how much did it cost you to complete all 300 hands?

Luckily todays challenge is simple, you just need to fold and show both your cards in a no limit cash game.

Cost me about 20minutes of my time, made 8$ in EV, won 4$, paid 3$ in rake. Adds up to a total of 1$ profit (+5$ in EV). I dont get where you take the 30$ from. I played the lowest limit all in or fold btw.

todays mission is ****ed up, run it 3 times (most dont want to run it 3 times, only 2 times) and you have to win all 3 times

but at least it seems there is 1 day you can miss since january has 31 days?

ok no the promotion is only till 30th january **** it, the idiots even today always chose run it twice not 3 times, had 93% all in at turn 3 times he won 1 daaaamn

Hey guys planning to play at the GGNetwork wich skin is the best?

Is the site safe ? or is it a big scam?

Looking toi play there because of the many bad players