here are my story from GG over BreakoutGaming...(same pool as Natural8)

last two weeks i played med/high stakes PLO 5/10 to 25/50.


last night i played a unbelievable session with 2 guys,
first of all i lost a lot of money that is not the point to write this here now but..

im 1000% sure these two guys see my cards,collusion against me and didnt play 1 really average pot against each other, they play in same patterns.

when i was BB , the SB called 100% of the time the open raise to get me in with playable cards and getting odds.

when i was connected they easily c/f otherwise one of these guys betting pot on flop, another guys folds instantly.

this username was from argentina and sounds ,, mahimahi,, - he was 100% not correct, super user / bot.

another guy ,, nearthesky,, from UK?

today i send the whole hand history to breakout security.

i was a dumb, it was so obv. what they do.


sorry for my english
daniel

There is a reason it’s called GGnetwork

quick answer from security after 12hours ...

First, we would like to show our appreciation and thanks for any input you can provide us. We would like to inform you that we had investigated all login and game records of the accounts that you had inquired about. However, we were unable to confirm any irregularities with corresponding user's records, and were unable to find sufficient evidence to verify any violation of our policy. Although the players played at the same table, after a full overall review of all pertaining hands, we have come to the conclusion that there was no basis for the act of collusion. As always, please feel free to inform us of any similar suspicions/issues that you or your users may encounter in the future, and we will do our utmost to assist you to the best of our abilities.



....very nice, it was so obv. something is wrong
i will post hands here later.

I mean it not that impossible that network is involved in it themselves.
Yes, please post hands here.

Obv just copy&paste bull****
Even if they caught him I'm sure they just keep quiet and keep the money themselves
And even though I don't think I got superused there in 2017 if someone like Jayser claims it then I'm 100% confident hes right, after a certain time you just know immediately.
It also didnt take me long to figure out I got superused on Fullflush before they disappeared

Mahimahi is from Finland, the superuser suspected earlier by me and jayser is Bluestacks from Argentina.
There is something really odd about this site though.
I wouldnt be suprised if these two were cheating against you.
I am certain that mahimahi knew about my suspicions about bluestacks and he stil hasnt quited the tables with him (we communicated through one of the affiliates)
I am Debilne_Ucho from stars, been playing hs for few years and have never accused anyone of cheating but I would strongly recomend to stay away from this site.

thanks for your replay...

u can trust me, we played 3handed plo 5k.
and every hand i was in BB mahimahi called the or from sky to involved me too. they didnt play any pot against each other.

i cant believe the security checked the complete session and respond me 1/2 day.

im sure they cheated me, but what can i do ?

i post hands later!

i played against bluestacks 20minutes hu,
after he loosed 1.5k pot he left before this he won every hand with crap. 2 days before

1/2 day i got this response after that i emailed them. check all hands when i was BB as example. they didnt answer. unbelievable

you are a fish dnl. mahimahi is from Finnland, he is a reg and play on GG from like 2017 Dec, and i am quite sure who is he on Stars. Other guy from UK is also a reg, or he plays somewhat solid game. You know the quote from rounders. If you cant see who is the fish at the table...

any chance of making the breaks at mtts start bit earlier?

no men , i play now 9 years poker and i m pretty sure these two guys/accounts are from the house (superuser)

it felt not human, when i had it the guy folds 100% , with air he calls 100% , otherwise he played garbage hands and hitting like a monster.

i hope in future it will be confirmed like joey did it on acr.

...

you know the feeling u play and play and you think something is obv. wrong here

im 1000% sure mahimahi not a real person!

FYP.

I'm sure others would appreciate it if you would post some of your evidence that makes you 1000% sure.

I tried grinding their spin and go's because i was chasing MTT leaderboard wich includes them. They have a system were you play for a random multiplier award or all players registered get a cookie wich contains cards and we don't play. When you collect cookies you get a reward for your buyin level. It's says it's 50%/50% split btw multiplier and cookie awards but it's pure BS. Ofc I didn't play a sample that big to prove anything or we can say I just wasn't lucky but it's ****ing ridicoulous that i reg 50 games and get to play maybe 5 sngs. Also the cards you get is prolly rigged 2 but hey it's nice to have duplicates. Also really hard to prove.

There is also couple really suspicious MTT grinders 2 me. You play everyday against same people and you don't adjust and make exploitable moves **** you. Playing the same style in 30$ and 150$ and never getting out of line. I decided to trully commit myself to poker at the end of last year and I am still a GTO noob, betting patterns, attacking player ranges but i am not a donkey and my intuition was always on point.

cashgames i don't know anything but i would never play it specially bigger stakes where the incentive to cheat is higher. Too easy to have multiple accounts or get cards up hand histories. The chance for coruption from inside is also higher in those shady networks because they underpay their employers and also have ****ty or nonexistent security.

And the worst part is I really like the site, they have really interesting ideas like staking players via client, player profiles for your personal viewieng and for other user if you wanna get staked etc. and I would like it to grow and get more players on but they need to improve their security bigtime and stop with the shady ****.

I am regd only on BestPoker on GG, back from Ongame days. I just got an unsolicited email from a new shady looking skin on network titled ''Become a part of the most fun and diverse poker...'' I won't post their name not to give them any publicity which they are obv so desperate for, skin initials are 'PN'.
It is not BestPoker redesigned, bestpoker is still under old 'brand' and address.

-They shared my email and now a new skin is just like that mailing me trying to sign me up...

just login to my natural8 account dont play for months their got the message "Security & Ecology Agreement clauses Account got suspended for 28 days" for Chatting Policy.

Funny if you dont play

The rake on the cashtables is insanely high.
Their hud PokerCraft doesnt take rake into account either,
I have had sessions where I'm up a couple hundred playing 25nl or 50nl according to the HUD, but my balance actually being down all to rake.
imagine having a winrate of 15-20bb/100 and still losing money after rake.

their cash game is not trust worhtly , just be smart and dont even give it a shot !
theres like an infinite numbers of way to get screw while playing cash game on here !

mtt shedule is actually not too bad , average skill is just fine! + and the all in or fold game is playable...worth playing if you hit the jack^pot !
imma jackpôt fish

overall how safe and fishy is the the GG network these days?

I was going to start playing poker online at GG ... But reading the forum I find only the negative attitudes:

1. Accounts to ban players and take away money without any evidence

2. The amount of rake is questionable? Or know exactly how much is it?

Do you have some good things to say about this network?

As part of the tournament saw the possibility to buy shares of the players who sell them. There is a box "markup" (has a value generally between 1:00 and 1.5). Can someone explain to me what exactly this field known? what value it means. Thank you in advance for your answers.

If you don't know what markup is, you should probably learn a bit more about staking and buying shares before going any further. Our Marketplace section should have lots of help for you.

Singaporeans started to play in Natural8 back in 2016, back then was still managed by Agent system.
After 2 months, me only as a player back then, was told by my agent that they boycotted this APP, all money in the accounts were returned to us.

Agent told us this Natural8 is not trustworthy, many sleazy things happening in there. IF we insist on playing there, find other ways, dont get them involved.

Anyone playing on Natural8 and am a winning player who have cashed out before your winnings on Natural8 site?

Any incidents of bot players or China players clashing with one another?

Or any other issues that might be of suspicion that the site is not a legit site?

Something to note is their RNG is tested by a reputable company in the industry

I've been contacted with the back end of my credit card company in regard to the $1000 USD transaction made on 7th August evening. The transaction to Natural8 with my account has been deposited $1000 and it was not my consent or authorization to deposit the money to Natural 8 Client.

I've contacted with my e wallet support regarding this matter on cancelling the $1000 USD and demand to have the money back to my e wallet card or to the wallet.

During the time of the deposit from withdrawal, I was not in the vicinity of the household but the deposit was made in the household, current living place and the exact computer that was to register to Natural8.com.

I've also received an email of withdraw approval of money to see that money has been spent but only to be return of a dozen money.

In the past transaction during the months, I've only deposited $100 and at times withdraw the money in the account. I do not spend an absurd amount of money on playing poker and did not consent to the transaction made during the time I was away.

I've talk to Natural8 and also the support of my credit card company to resolve this issue and to cancel the withdrawal to have the original deposit back. The funds is mandatory to be placed back to the account as it was not in my consent nor authorization to spend the money on Natural8 client.

Once my e wallet company has provided an email to the solution and a response from Natural8.com, I hope the problem can be resolve. As of right now, I can't do anything about the loss of money and to wait for a solution from Natural8 customer support team and my e wallet support team.

Any suggestions on how I can get my money back? Did anyone here have similar experience in the past?

When I open Natural8 it takes a ridiculous amount of cpu and is unplayable for me. Is there any way to fix this other than buying a hardcore gaming tower? I have a new surface book 2. Thanks