This is sad but QFT.

wrong.

An attorney who practices in the US is useless. An attorney who practices in whatever jursidiction this falls under isn't useless.

She isn't gonna win shiat in court. I am sorry but if she is a proven botter on multiple accounts and 1 account magically isn't a bot she is still getting what she deserved. What is sad this actually helps Mr. Gatorade's creditability and I hate that bastard as much as the next 2+2er.

Which part, his site never listed her as a bot, he's bot hunting and couldn't find her?

Why is discussion continuing on this? They are guilty. END OF STORY.

There are two discussions in here:

1) Is Sillysal guilty? (and if so, what of?)

2) Is FTP's process for handling this stuff any good?

There appears to be a number of people here who are not convinced of that.

What happened to Haven posting his opinion based on the evidence FT sent him?

Nothin, no post, no more comments from Mike Haven, actually SillySal said more, she made a statement she would not be posting anymore.

I gotta get more popcorn and sodas.

How am I wrong?

Of the countless disputes between players and online poker sites, how many have ever resulted in attorneys recovering the seized money? The answer to that would be ZERO.

I don't know what jurisdiction Full Tilt exists in, but my guess is that it would be extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to successfully take them to court and win a judgment against them.

Remember, they are in control of all the evidence. Even if Sillysal successfully gets them dragged into some foreign courtroom, they just need to pull out some convincing, official-looking evidence of botting and she's done for. Most poker sites exist in very online gambling friendly environments. The hurdles one would have to jump in order to get a successful civil judgment against Full Tilt would be insurmountable -- especially when you're just a single individual accused of a form of cheating.

They are not fully in control of the evidence ... evidence is one thing proof is another. But the casinos have everything in control - their license agreement, that you signed, and which is such that every player breaks it . Many casinos in fact state in their license agreement that they can close your account even without a reason.

On the other hand, it could have some effect, as if you sue the casino and win this can really damage the casino business (which they won't risk for some 47k) ...

Is she holding any of your money?

I guess you've never heard about bail. I can't tell whether you're trolling or you really are as stupid as you appear to be.

The simple answer is to sue in an american jurisdiction in which poker is legal. Full Tilt defends, or gets defaulted. If they get defaulted (a choice they may make) you seize assets they have in America. They have assets in America, certainly 47 K.

The real problem here is the probable guilt of the accused. If someone demonstrates to me that different humans could have those pretty much identical across the board stats, I am open to being convinced. Its not like we are just talking about VPIP and preflop raise %s.

I don't think its proof positive, but I'd bet that those type of identical stats are going to show that identical hands were played identically, both pre and post flop.

Dandruff

You have pegged me almost perfectly (40?? Really??)

I do and have left games to avoid tilting. It's kind of what I'm known for. I am very emotional and swear a lot.

I avoid players who I believe are better than me, or close to my skill as there is no EV in it. That's why I avoid you.

I'm very chatty as most anyone who's talked or met me can attest.

I clearly have played other games as I won a seat to the WSOP 2005, from Intercasino playing a NL sit and go, as was the case when I won the seat to the WSOP 2006 from Pokerroom. I have also played NL short handed tourneys and live NL tournaments at the Bicycle club.

I was a fixture for many years at the Bike casino. I used to bank Pai Gow games there. Johnny Chan knows who I am as we've played Pai gow against each other many times. I have also played both Pai Gow and poker at Commerce, Hustler, and Hawaiian Gardens.

I have avoided brick and mortar casinos since I was followed home and attacked and robbed in my garage.

I am not beatme1.


I have been an online player for 5 years. I did not just "show-up" at Pokerroom.

I have not used a bot of any kind ... EVER.

I have never used any illegal software.... EVER. I do not use pokertracker.

I am still in contact with FTP and am trying to resolve this and prove my innocence.

I give FTP authorization to show any report they have that shows I've used any illegal software.

You won't see it cuz they don't have it.

Wow thanks for getting back Sal. Apart from the stats we saw, have FTP shown you any other proof you are guilty or do you just have to accept their decision?

I still get the feeling FTP have made another mistake.

damn shes hot!!!

No way she's 40 imo.

over/under at 38?

that's a good line...

If Fulltilt is wrong it is going to be quite a dilemma for them!

So sillysal has decided to honour us all by posting under that name again. Whilst she is not obligated to post here the fact that someone thought she was 40 she felt was too much to stay silent on.

The fact she has been a regular player for years and knows Johnny Chan is proof of nothing. She has given us no additional information but states that FTP can post any reports (knowing full well FTP are not going to post it here).

FTP will I think correct errors (e.g. after sillysal accused them of delays they countered by saying replies had always been sent within 24 hours) but they are not going to disclose their bot catching techniques.

All we now know that we didn’t previously is that she is not 40 – she didn’t say whether she was older or younger but let’s give her the benefit of the doubt on that one at least. It would be interesting to know:

• What other information has FTP communicated to sillysal?
• What other information has been communicated to Mike Haven?
• Mike Haven posted on 5th Nov saying a spreadsheet cell need to be clarified. Has it?
• Why has Mike Haven not even updated us? Is FTP or sillysal objecting?
• Why is FTP so silent? I accept they can’t supply details but good PR should at least say they remain in contact directly with sillysal (even she admits this).

My apologies to Mike Haven – he didn’t ask to be drawn into this fiasco but now he has I think a little communication would not go amiss. There is no obligation on sillysal to keep us informed and I would have preferred her staying silent if her only concern was to insist on her innocence (of not being 40). Thanks for the latest update after all this time.

Unless anybody has anything of substance to add to this thread it may as well die.

This detracts from the rest of your post.

Mods are able to perform very simple IP checks to weed people posting under multiple accounts out.

Dan's post covered a number of issues.

WTF sort of information or proof do you want from her?

What hurdle are you setting for her?

Josem isnt it pretty obvious what happened here?

This beatme character obviously had sillysal play one of his accounts. Most likely paid her well for this. He knew eventually there was a good chance the account would get flagged and when it did the plan churns into action.

Poor ole sillysal, pro poker player, and women comes in saying how she was robbed. Afterall how many women players do you know that play the types of limits sillysal did?

I know I might be acting sexist with all of this, but the idea of some 40 year old women sitting in front of the computer 12 hours a day playing high limit heads up holdem online seems rather out of the ordinary.