This is part of my post from earlier I'm quoting. Obviously it would seem I did jump the gun, FT did actually finally tell sillysal the reason her funds were being seized. Although I was careful to qualify my comments with the fact that we didn't know if they had told her, I apologize to FT for partially jumping to this conclusion.

I still think there should be a way for sillysal (or anyone else in a similar situation) to appeal this. It will be interesting to see where this leads, if anywhere.

Mr. Gatorade must not have heard the news yet in his (anti) botcave...

Offcourse it is 100 precent impossible to be sure of anything like this. That is why matters like this go to a jury and evidence is reviewed and a reasonable conclusion is reached.

I honestly don't think that fulltilt cares that much about seizing an extra 50k for personal benifit, they make enough money. I think the reason most people on this site feel that stuff like this always happening is because most of the time people post this stuff they are usually guilty and are just trying to get it on 2+2 and reach out for sympathy to help their case.

Cases like this which get resolved and accusations proven to be false just don't get as much attention, nor are they posted. The majority of post simliar to this are usually from newley registered users who obviously just trying to get a mob backing them in hopes that it will influence the pokersite accusing them of fradulent behavior.

I know gehrig datamines those games (or used to) so he should have plenty of hands.

A question for MrGatorade...did you believe pokergirl z was botting? If so, why didn't you list her on your site?

Obtaining service would be fun, as would trying to execute any judgment. Other than that, suing them would be a great idea.

The UIGEA really distorts the market, and the nature of the offshore sites we deal with, by forcing the public companies, like Party Poker, out of the U.S. market, and only the shadowy ones step up to the plate.

I realize this is preaching to the choir, but if we had legalization, and legal sites with registered agents subject to our jurisdiction, the market could work. People with a meaningful choice would be more likely to insist on good customer service, phone numbers, and protection against arbitrary seizure of funds. If the free market alone didn't result in this, then perhaps a pack of hungry trial lawyers could. . .

Cheers, Carl.

i play on full tilt every day... I make my living from full tilt.. and I'm very concerned about these situations. I play heads up a lot and it worries me if someone says to full tilt I'm cheating, am I going to lose all my $ with no recourse?

Why are these situations so secretive?

Personally I think there has to be something done about this, you never see these threads about stars. Yet stars has what, a 3x's bigger player base? I hate playing on stars, hate the software, hate the games for the most part, but I will be moving there until this crap stops... -5k rake/month for full tilt.

Why are you blaming Full Tilt. I am sure they have to be 100% sure about this to take this kind of a radical action as seizing funds is. I say Thank You Full Tilt, because looks like Tilt is pretty much the only site that catches these "advanced" bots, which can beat big games.

You guys should be angry to this sillysal guy, who has taken money many years out of poker community by cheating. Finally she/he got caught. I don´t know how much she/he has made already by cheating from all sites she/he has played, this $47k is probably not even half of it, hopefully at least closet to 20% or something.

I understand that she/he is frustrated that she/he got caught when having pretty large sum in her/his account, and that is why she/he makes a thread to 2+2 to at least spoil sites name, which caught her/him.

cliff notes?

Full tilt freezes OPs money saying they have to sherlock holmes her account, almost no communication, goes on for a while, her money gets taken, she claims innocence the whole time.

Service on a foreign company is not that hard, I do believe FTP has facilities in Canada, correct me if wrong. I also believe Canada courts regularly enforce US judgments.

Does anyone not think its strange for FTPDoug to come here talking about how when people don't get a hold of them such as credit card processors and possible colluders that investigations take longer all the while implying that this is the reason this took so long without communication. Then all of a sudden its case closed shes a bot no explanation except to some irrelevant mod of a message board who was not affected in any way by the situation.

I cannot fathom how a serious money generating business like this can function doing things like this?? Is this the twilight zone or am I dreaming??

sillysal - please spell out exactly your online-poker name so that perhaps someone can help with this. pokergirlz or poker_girl_z or whatever it is exactly.

somebody mentioned that perhaps gehrig datamines these games.
Not everyone surfs this forum and he might have no awareness at all about this.
PM gehrig and ask if he can help perhaps?

Not sure if it would be appropriate to post a request in the appropriate forum asking for HH's played against you. I think you play high-stakes limit but mabe it's NL. Anyway, that might be something to think about as well.
If you play high stakes limit then perhaps PM a moderator there such as BicycleKick and see if he thinks it's worth cross-posting your request to that forum.

So, FTP is the new UB?

mn-holdem - probably not a relevant point. FTPDoug will be the first to tell you that it's not his department and he was only offering a guess. He supposed it COULD have been about security-check and ID stuff as is the case in some of those account-freezings and obviously did not know the true reason was bot-suspicion.
I don't think he expected to be held to that though since he clearly stated he was not the authority on the issue. He was just offering one possibility that it could be even though he wasn't one to have any information about it.

MB- For god's sake, by all means... datamine me......I'd imagine after all the interest in these post's, wou would have already aquired a lot of info regarding me.. no prob.. It's cool. on WSEX--Sillysal FTP Pokergirl z have at it gl and talk ot you soon

I am fully aware of the OP and the situation at hand here and wish to not comment further in this matter.

-Crazy Mike

Oh Mike,

please do respond. I need to hear what you have to say about this.

If you can get an independent third party to review your hard drive Silly Sal (unless there is a magical way around the hard drive bot). We can slow this madness and get the word out on this place. Fulltilt poker- "WHERE THE PROS SCAM YOU" .

I am already working on a forensic computer analysis. I'm prepared to post the results.

I don't have any info on you except for what is in this thread.
I don't do any datamining so don't count on me for that.
I believe you should be able to obtain some stats or HH's from gehrig or other posters on here as the word gets out.

Would very much like to hear what Crazy Mike has to say.
Kind of strange that he would refuse to comment.

your name on FT is:
pokergirl z

???

You are allowed to have a space in your name on FT?

What worries me the most is that, based on your posts, my gut tells me you didn't cheat. I am truly hoping we see info that will exonerate you.

Yes spaces are allowed on FT

I think it it strange that I'm the only person siding with Full Tilt here.

Of course I wish they would post why this has happened, but I feel like it is very unlikely that they're "stealing" money from sillysal.

This thread definitely had me laughing at all the mini-lawyers.

Also, FTPdoug posted that they replied to all of the emails within 24 hours and just didn't have any new information for sillysal. How is that not good enough of an explanation?

And to sillysal:

Sorry if any of this sounded insensitive. I have nothing against you and hope you didn't wrongfully lose your $$.

Ok, Some of you may relate here. You purchase and study all the poker books ever wrote, You purchase and use all the latest Wilson software, you spend hours honing your game, reading thread after thread on two plus two, you spend thousands of hours utilizing this knowlage to build a bankroll, only to have it stolen from you. this is a nightmare scenario that can happen and has happened to many poker players. I hope we can get to the bottom of this, just to help protect all the blood sweat and tears if Silly and others have been scammed by this.