Regardless, you'd think that a site like FTP would be more concerned about someone in the same position as the OP going to the press and would take steps to avoid having this happen.

Let's imagine FTP handled this the 2+2 way ...

1. Thieves hack a bunch of player accounts and dump $100K in stolen chips to various confederates.

2. The money is dumped from account to account as the thieves try to clean it up so someone can withdraw it.

3. A bunch of the tainted money winds up with JoeDumDum.

4. JoeDumDum loses $15K to OP.

5. FTP steps in and suspends many accounts including JoeDumDum and OP.

6. FTP explains to OP that her account is suspended because she is suspected of receiving a stolen money chip dump from JoeDumDum.

7. OP comes to 2+2 and tells her sad story including the part about JoeDumDum.

8. After the longest month of his life, FTP eventually establishes that Joe won the money from the thieves by accident. Joe and OP are both cleared by FTP and their accounts are unfrozen.

9. Joe sues FTP for libel and not keeping his account information private. FTP loses and the whole case is covered in the mainstream press.

Oops. I really don't blame FTP for not explaining a half-completed investigation. This investigation may affect a lot of people. Things that are said cannot be unsaid.

You guys are really going to freak out if FTP exonerates OP but never explains what happened, but that could easily be the right thing to do. Just as long as there is an appropriate apology and financial compensation they shouldn't be expected to explain their suspicions.

they should AT LEAST be in contact via the phone on a regular basis.

I guess you can't read, so i'll break it down for you. Bobo said "if they were found guilty, then..". which means i don't care if they do all those things AFTER they have found her guilty, not while they are investigating.

I dont believe that there has been any cases where FTP has seized someone's money without overwhelming evidence of the person's guilt.

yes they shoudl do that to make YOU happy, and forget about all the other customers they have that make then the 2nd biggest poker site on the market!

When you were arrested for rape, did they put you in jail and update you on a regular basis while they investigated and give you all the details and facts and evidence?

Do you honestly believe that the you can be arrested, tried, and convicted without being able to see the evidence that the authorities have against you?????? Where the [censored] do you live? North Korea?

no, IRAN

I'm not a religious person, but I'm currently praying for you to be unjustly accused by FTP of wrong-doing, having your funds seized, and then being found guilty without ever seeing the evidence against you.

You're pulling these statements out of your ass. You have no way of knowing this. However, we have countless threads in this forum of people who have had their funds seized by FTP for no obvious reason, with weeks and weeks going by with little or no communication from FTP as to how the investigation is progressing.

And no, I don't believe that. But i do know that if a person is being investigated for something, that the FBI would not give them the details of what they know while they are still investigating.

Thats because you're an idiot with such a [censored] life that you have nothing better to do then HOPE for such a thing.

I have never done anything wrong, and hav eno reason to fear FTP investigating me. sillysal on the other hand, has done SOMETHING to have FTP have to freeze 47k.

i'm not a religious person, but i'm praying righ tnow that you turn into a no-life loser that's happiness depends on a random person over the internet getting their funds seized.. lol

oh wait thats already the case

So if you're standing by this statement:

...when is FTP supposed to let the OP know what the evidence is against her so that she can present a defence? You don't believe that they should let her know the evidence while they're investigating, and you don't believe that they should let her know the evidence once they find her guilty...so when is the OP supposed to find out what the evidence is against her -- or at the very least, what she's being accused of???

What? Enlighten us. What has sillysal done?

I trust that FTP will make the correct decision, and if they have enough overwhelming evidence, than OP has no need to defend herself. Just as I trust FTP would not seize the 47k and not give it back without justified reason.

Can people please get in the habit of trimming page long quotes?

You englighten us with what sillysal has NOT done.

Account suspensions do not just happen for no reason, and whatever it is that she did, triggered it. I'm not saying that I know she did something illegal exactly, but she did do somethign to trigger the investigation.

I'm trying to figure out if you're just really naive, really stupid, or trolling. In many cases where poker sites have suspended accounts pending their investigations, the player being investigated triggered the investigation by unwittingly playing at a table with someone who later made a credit card charge-back, or used a stolen credit card, or was a chip-dumper, or was a bot. The chances are very very good that sillysal is being investigated for one of the reasons that I mentioned.

There is absolutely no way that you can protect yourself from the same thing one day happening to you. We all accept that this a risk that we take by playing online. What we don't accept is FTP taking weeks and weeks to conduct their investigations, threatening to delay the investigations if we keep contacting them for an updated status on the investigation, and then seizing the funds at the end of the investigation without telling us why.

you're right, my apologies

That's not just trust. That's blind faith. I'm glad that's OK for you. No sarcasm intended.

I prefer the tack employed in diplomatic circles. Trust, but verify. Without information, we, and sillysal, cannot verify, therefore trust is compromised.

I'm all three.

Regardless, you have your points, but how can you say that the chances of her being one of those listed are "very very good"? You don't know what evidence FTP may have against her, so saying that its a "very very good" chance is a blind assumption imo.

i guess i just trust that if FTP were holding her money for this long (especially this high of an amount of money), that there is probably justified reason for it.

When they have completed the investigation and IF they accuse her of wrong doing.

No because it may turn out she has no case to answer but other parties may have.

Yes and let her know who FTP solicitors are so that she can instruct her own council to persue a claim

When the investigation is completed. IT IS THE ONLY WAY

But honestly, you have to have some kind of faith to be playign online poker. Even if this sillysal case is annoyign and scary to you, I doubt that it has made you feel unsafe to play at FTP.

I guess when people accused Absolute of trying to cover up the existence of Superusers, we should have all just accepted their explanation that their games were all honest, and that the technology does not exist on their servers for a user to see other players' hole cards.

After all, these off-shore gambling sites are completely incorruptible and above reproach. We should never doubt their honesty and their ability to conduct impartial investigations.

Abosulte was a special case, and everyone knows that. Also, they outright lied while responding to accusations, which made it more incriminating. FTP has never done something to make me "doubt their honesty" and feel that they are "corruptible".

This argument at hand has always been a question of FTP's poor customer service for not keeping in touch well with the OP, and not their honesty or integrity, so to compare it to absolute is a joke. you kind of sound like mark seif when he said in his statement that "this can happen at ftp and stars"