Why do you think?

You HAVE to be kidding, right? FFS. In EVERY case I've seen described so far in which people have gotten their money back from PMI by calling them they've ALL gotten the following response (paraphrasing):

PMI: "Yes, we discovered the erroneous transaction 2 days ago and we are already processing your refund."

You don't find that just a wee bit coincidental?

As to "why would they give ANYBODY'S money back?"
Simple: They give it back to keep banks from investigating and stopping their little scheme or dropping the dime to law enforcement agencies on them.

Omaha Chris

No reason to list other processors.

FTP transactions have come under a variety of names and descriptors over the last year or two. We all made legitimate deposits at one point or another, and they all had similar descriptors.

Just... ....we got some extra transactions

Updated the spreadsheet, the picture will have to wait. Was $50 a legitimate deposit amount for you at any point, and if not, was $50 near the size that you'd normally deposit? [I'll look at your recent posts.]

EDIT: Looks like I need to re-read the NVG post closer. Found a few more people who listed amounts, refund dates, etc. I'll update 'em later. I'm tired.

Nah. I have infinite capacity for reading this thread. I re-read it all today, but might have missed a few stories in the NVG thread or skimming this one.

Thank you, but plenty of credit goes elsewhere: SabaAba, for starting the NVG thread - for example. You, for dozens of bumps. slsmagic for coming forward with information on his only-for-FTP account. I just happen to have some free time. Actually, you can "thank" PMI for changing their name on their third transaction to "PMI SALE" and taking a last-effing-straw $200 from me again this last month. I was almost ready to write off $400, but the last one had me livid.

I do agree, however, that FTP needs to be more active in this. It's just not a coincidence. There's no way we all share some other sort of common bond that got PMI ripping us off -- and in many cases, for amounts we deposited on Full Tilt Poker.

Oh, and when and if it all gets worked out, someone can buy me a beer during Event 17, 54 or 56 at the WSOP this year.

Doug posted on one of the other threads about FTP's awesome new software updates. I think he was too busy to come in here and update everyone on minor matters like theft from their player base as a result of them either being unable to hold people's data securely or them using a dodgy payment processor.

Has anyone tried to report these to any news outlets? Poker blogs?

We should report this in ripoffreport.com

This has been mentioned quite a lot and without donning the tinfoil hat too much many poker media outlets accept advertising dollars from FT Poker and hence are unlikely to want to risk said income by reporting on an issue potentially damaging to them.
As for 60 minutes and their ilk I don't think we're quite at that level of story yet.
I do know that anti online gambling legalisation advocates are always on the lookout for any stories like this though.

Yep, I figured that. I actually went ahead and wrote an incoherent rant to Bluff Magazine. They seem to be affiliated with everything but FTP.

If anyone wants to write more messages to them and other news outlets or poker outlets that would be great.

So.. yes I been getting rogue withdrawals past few days. Without reading 40 pages if its PMI then I can dispute.. any other companies. The emails I received from FTP were erroneous? I was wondering like I haven't deposited since Dec. wtf is going on..

As I've stated in other posts itt, I've e-mailed Cardplayer's online presence with the details and a link to the story and.... crickets.

What you are talking about probably isn't involved in the PMI problem described herein, most likely your situation is the same as numerous other people have had in that deposits from late last year/early this year were delayed in being processed because of DOJ seizures of payment processors and FT is just now getting around to collecting on those deposits which they had already credited to your poker account.

Mine was 3 withdrawals from PMI. $100 each from Jan, Feb, March and it matched a quick deposit amount from July or August of 2010. PMI credited me after I contacted them.

Let me guess... They had already discovered the problem about 2 days before you called them and were already in the process of crediting your bank account. Sound about right?

I just had three deposits of $10 each added to my bank account today from PMI.

I was the one who posted about Indiana. That is what my bank said, but I could have confused it with Irvine. I have tried contacting Irvine several times and have not received any responses.

Try contacting your bank. They will be able to provide some semblence of information talking about where the transaction originated and maybe the company who PMI is a shell for.

National Payment Processing:
3247 W. March Lane Suite 220 Stockton, CA 95219
PHONE: (800) 396-5660 ext 1 FAX: (209) 320-2108
EMAIL: info@nationalpaymentprocessing.com


This is who I found earlier, another NPP. Anyone can sign up as a payment processor, literally. The information/link is one the front page.

If companies like "PMI" (in all likelihood not the real name) are becoming processors through means like these, it's doubtful they are going to be much help.

TY sir I will check my statements to make sure they are not PMI. There is payments being made from FTP that are legit too though huh?

Just posting an update, I received my money back from PMI yesterday.

Hey! No love for NoFi?


If I make it out, I'll buy ya two.

I have not seen anyone mention affiliates.

Everyone should complain to their affiliate who might have some contacts within FTP that can give them info. Those who have decided to stop paying rake at FTP until this is resolved should definitely inform their affiliate.

Decent affiliates might try to alert their users about this.

plausible deniability.

Nice to see the FTP reps posting in other threads and completely ignoring this issue.

It is not out of the realm of possibilities that PMI , whoever they may be, is acting in good faith here. This reminds me of a situation many years ago I had with the fine processing company Epassporte. I had made a withdrawl off FTP for $550 to my Epassporte account(they had ATM cards). About 6 months later the deposit was randomly put into my epass acct again, for the same $550. I contacted them about the $550 in the account and they said they were having issues with past transactions from months ago that were somehow being rerun. They then took my $550 and said sorry. The next month, I get another $550 out of the blue. I returned it again and told them if they were dumb enough to do it again, I would withdraw it. The next month boom $550. Withdrew it same day, and they closed my account and went out of business... or so I thought...epassporte is that you??

This is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the issue at hand.