Half the world probably received e-mails from their credit card companies recently about a breach at epsilon and the potential theft of e-mail addresses. FTP should send out a similar warning e-mail.

How is this not a bigger topic in the poker community outside of 2+2? Is there anything being done to stop this at all, does anybody know???

Good question, I personally e-mailed Cardplayer magazine's online arm and pointed out that this was happening and linked it to this thread... aaaannnndddd crickets.

It's been on a few other forums, Pocket 5's springs to mind.

I think because the amounts are so small, it's not regarded as a big deal. the largest amount anyone, on any forum I've found, was taken for would be our own The Palimax for $200 a pop...

The problem is, this is affecting "casual" players, and how many people have been affected is impossible to gauge.

There obviously is a FTP connection, so I think at this point, all we can do is wait for the official FTP response.

I hope something comes soon.

At least one other player (slsmagic) reported $500, and it was particularly important, in that it was taken from an account used specifically and only for Full Tilt Poker transactions.

I think someone else mentioned $200 as well, or even $250, but I'll read back over the thread when I write up a new summary.

I lodged a dispute with my bank for the PMI charges, $100 each on 1/28, 2/23, & 3/31. They told me that the corporate office will send me paperwork with questions that I must answer and have notarized, and then their fraud department will do an investigation. They also told me that when they approve my dispute and refund the money, that money is coming from the bank, not from PMI. And so, the bank will pursue PMI in court to offset what is now a loss to my bank.

You should contact your bank and mention NACHA's 60 day rule on unauthorized debits. The charges from 2/23 and 3/31 should be returned no problem with no loss to the bank.

Very strange that FTP is so quiet in this matter...

One would think they would try their best in keeping their reputation as clean as possible.
Although they might not be redrawing the money theirself they do (or did) play a critical role in this whole deal. ( at least there seems to have been a privacy leak)

One would at least expect a news bulletin stating 'it has come to our attention that money has been redrawn from FTP's players bank account without authorization. We at FTP value our players privacy information and do everything in our power to guarantee our players money is save. ... blablabla.. we therefore started an official investigation to make sure the rights of our players are ... blablabla...

If you see that money was redrawn from you bank account without autorization (ref. PMI) you may contact our support and our security team will look look into your case.

blablabla...

not communicating is the worst communication in times of crisis...

So the PMI charge would look like a purchase on ones' bank statement? Also, what if you haven't deposited onto FTP in years? Does that matter at all or no. thanks

We are not sure who's being affected. If you EVER deposited money on FT, you are a possible victim. This does bring up a good point though

HAS ANYONE BEEN CHARGED ONLY RECENTLY? What I mean is: has anyone only been charged in March but not Feb or Jan? Or just charged in Feb. This will help us narrow down whether the problem is contained to a certain number of players.

I was charged by PMI once per month since Jan 2011

I know that I would deposit 2 to 5 times a day sometimes if I was having a bad run, each for $12 or $24, so having knowledge of how many times a person deposits, can play an advantage towards a crook because they may think that we would not notice due to the multiple deposits we make per day/week etc. That being said, I just pulled-up FTP, there are 75,886 players online. Multiply that by $12 and you get $910,632. I'm sure not everyone has been "taken," but that's just an example of why the small amounts that have been taken, can be turned into tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars if you look at the big picture.

As for contacting the police/FBI, I'm not sure how well that would go down. I know some states have laws against gambling/gambling online, and that may get people in even-hotter water. I know absolutely nothing about my state and the laws regarding online gambling, so I personally need to look into that, and it would probably be a good idea for anyone that is planning on getting the ball rolling with authorities. Just something to think about.

I was also charged once per month since January.

I can't find the reply, but someone was saying that they thought it might be linked to a withdrawal in December. I looked in my history, and one of my few actual cash-outs, and the most recent one, was made in December. Anyone else have a withdrawal in December?

I think the real reason this hasnt been reported by most sites (and hasnt been stickied by 2+2) is due to the advertising dollars that FTP throws around. I'm sure there's at least an underlying concern by many sites that if they make a big deal about it, FT could pull their advertising.

This needs to be front page.

Funny how we haven't seen anyone come here and post that they got this refund in their bank accounts and came here to find out what is going on.

FT has screwed the pooch on this one. They obviously (at least in the beginning) didn't have a clue what is happening to their customer's data. Even if they do know now, if they email their customer base and tell them to check their bank accounts for the last three months, it will hurt them tremendously. Even if they can show that it wasn't their fault, they just waited too long. That is why they will pull a Cereus and remain silent. Shame on 2+2 for not stickying this as well.

OMG Why has this been closed in NVG.
NVG has the most traffic on the site and is where this thread has the most chance of reaching people whose money has been stolen and are not aware of it yet.
I'm trying not to be alarmist but this feels so wrong.
Seriously considering withdrawing whole roll from Tilt and never playing there again at this point.
Still no word at all from them since they denied ever hearing of PMI?

In what world? FTP's customer service has never been amazing. I'm not surprised at all about their lack of support to players.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

It was closed by request of one of the other original posters with a link to this thread.

There's certainly pros and cons to one or two threads, but I think one consolidated source of information makes sense.

NVG might have more casual traffic, but people with deposit/withdraw/banking issues visit this forum.

As I mentioned in an earlier post. I was hit three times for a total of $900. ($300 each month from Jan thru March. Had a not reported it to my bank and closed my account. I am sure the $300 would continue to be stolen blindly from my bank account each month.

I agree I cannot believe this not was stickied in NVG the most highly visited section of this forum, where poker community victims not aware of what is going on can check thier bank accounts and stop themselves from being robbed any further. I also cannot believe this criminal activity is not being reported front page on other poker media sites.

I guess the money that FTP pays to Two Plus Two and other media sites sadly prevents these sites from protecting their very own visitors that make their sites so popular. So it is okay to let FTP either indirectly or directly rob blindly the poker community all in the good of making some advertising dollars.

Where are the ethical boundaries drawn ? - and the poker community wonders why main stream society frowns upon and looks down upon our industry. Like with the UB scandal, the poker community has a chance here to show that we are good honest and ethical people that will not tolerate unprofessional and criminal activity taken place to our fellow peers. Someone please tell me what I am missing. Robbery is taking place and it seems people that can do something about all of this is just sitting back an doing nothing out of fear of FTP pulling advertising dollars. And everyone gets on their high horses about the UB scandal but not about what is happening (or not happening) with this FTP fiasco and thefts.

As for FTP, their silence and not notifying customers is starting to make people wonder what more is really going on here that we do not even have a clue yet about. This is taking shape to become a much bigger issue and cover up then we all think. After all, if it was not - why wouldn't FTP be more active here.... they want this mess to go away without the poker media sites digging deeper into the criminal activity and who, what and where is involved.

Shame on the poker community (media) for ignoring this issue and not investigative reporting what is becoming very close to the next UB scandal. Like FTP silence in notifying their customers that they are being robbed from. The Poker media sites and outlets non reporting of this serious major news story has them now doing the same to their visitors and customers - and as these thefts continue again in Jan, Feb, March and almost assurely again in late April and the rest of the year, they (poker media sites) too are now becoming part of the reason why unsuspecting victims of the poker community they claim to love and support continue to be robbed blindly from their bank accounts.

Again, that thread was closed by user request (as I understand it).

It's a little premature to start suggesting that Two Plus Two is covering up for Full Tilt Poker.

Scandals aren't good for online poker. I'm not saying that's the reason why that thread was shut down instead of stickied, but imo it probably was. I'm not saying it's right or wrong either, it's just prob what's goin on.

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It was closed by request so that information could exist in one place.