FTP's Rogue Payment Processor PMI is back again! Double-Charged? Check your statements! NOW!
04-01-2011
, 06:38 PM
Please see the thread in NVG for more information, but report back here!
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...8035-a-969245/
Starting at the end January, a company identifying itself as PMI 8888758035 began making withdraws from poker-players who had played on Full Tilt Poker. The amounts withdrawn matched deposit amounts that had already cleared through other payment processors. These withdraws were at first seen as oversights -- a FTP payment processor working on old information, and a number of those impacted reported getting calls back after leaving messages with the 888 number and getting refunds. [That number just rings today...]
Despite the fact that FTP promises not to share your banking details with anyone, this is simply untrue. They rely on an army of 3rd-party payment processors; some of which are obviously not above-board.
FTP's response was that they did not initiate the charge and that they would not take any action, despite this company being a known (previously used) payment processor.
At the end of February, PMI 8888758035 did it again. At this point anyone silly enough to not have closed their bank account (myself included) had another ACH withdraw taken from them matching their initial amount. These amounts matched FTP deposit amounts from Fall of 2010.
Because of the nature of ACH transactions, many people -- myself included -- were left in the cold, unable to reverse their transactions. They money is gone.
It appears that yesterday, they did it again. They've changed their name and gotten a new account and now PMI SALE is making withdraws. This new name and account went through and hit all of their old marks again -- many of whom, it seems, were FTP players.
I'm now faced with closing the account. I understand I shouldn't have been so foolish as to not have a separate "high risk" bank account, but like many, poker is a recreational activity, not my primary source of income.
CHECK YOUR ACCOUNTS FOR UNAUTHORIZED TRANSACTIONS FROM:
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Edit/MH:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...8035-a-969245/
Starting at the end January, a company identifying itself as PMI 8888758035 began making withdraws from poker-players who had played on Full Tilt Poker. The amounts withdrawn matched deposit amounts that had already cleared through other payment processors. These withdraws were at first seen as oversights -- a FTP payment processor working on old information, and a number of those impacted reported getting calls back after leaving messages with the 888 number and getting refunds. [That number just rings today...]
Despite the fact that FTP promises not to share your banking details with anyone, this is simply untrue. They rely on an army of 3rd-party payment processors; some of which are obviously not above-board.
FTP's response was that they did not initiate the charge and that they would not take any action, despite this company being a known (previously used) payment processor.
At the end of February, PMI 8888758035 did it again. At this point anyone silly enough to not have closed their bank account (myself included) had another ACH withdraw taken from them matching their initial amount. These amounts matched FTP deposit amounts from Fall of 2010.
Because of the nature of ACH transactions, many people -- myself included -- were left in the cold, unable to reverse their transactions. They money is gone.
It appears that yesterday, they did it again. They've changed their name and gotten a new account and now PMI SALE is making withdraws. This new name and account went through and hit all of their old marks again -- many of whom, it seems, were FTP players.
I'm now faced with closing the account. I understand I shouldn't have been so foolish as to not have a separate "high risk" bank account, but like many, poker is a recreational activity, not my primary source of income.
CHECK YOUR ACCOUNTS FOR UNAUTHORIZED TRANSACTIONS FROM:
PMI SALE
PMI 8888758035
A search of these forums will show many, many people asking the same question.PMI 8888758035
- If you have one of these transactions, call your bank immediately.
- If you have one of these transactions, report here.
- If the dollar figure matches any FTP-related transactions, especially from the Fall-2010 time period, please report here.
- If you have one of these transactions, consider closing your bank account. "PMI" has changed their name once already.
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Edit/MH:
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This is a consolidated update of all pertinent data across several threads as of 4/11/2011 at 10:33pm Arizona time.
Starting at the end January, a company identifying itself as PMI 8888758035 began making withdraws from poker-players who had played on Full Tilt Poker. The amounts withdrawn matched deposit amounts that had already cleared through other payment processors. These withdraws were at first seen as oversights -- but it appears as though a FTP payment processor, partner of payment processor or plain old scam artists working on old deposit information is at work.
Despite the fact that FTP promises not to share your banking details with anyone, this is simply untrue. They rely on an army of 3rd-party payment processors; some of which are obviously not above-board.
Numerous victims of “PMI” emailed Full Tilt Poker, and the canned response was always the same:
FTP's response was that they did not initiate the charge and that they would not take any action, despite this company being a known (previously used) payment processor.
At the end of February, PMI 8888758035 did it again. At this point anyone silly enough to not have closed their bank account (myself included) had another ACH withdraw taken from them matching their initial amount. In 2/3rds of transactions where the victims reported the amount stolen, amounts matched FTP deposit amounts from Fall of 2010. Further, other victims reported that their unauthorized ACH transactions matched sizes similar to their FTP deposits. Micro-players had small transactions, where others were taken for $200, $300, and even $500 a month.
Because of the nature of ACH transactions, many people -- myself included -- were left in the cold, unable to reverse their transactions, and left at the mercy of "PMI"
It appears that at the end of March, they did it again. They've changed the name on their ACH transaction and gotten a new account and now PMI SALE is making withdraws. This new name and account went through and hit all of their old marks again -- many of whom, it seems, were FTP players.
I understand I shouldn't have been so foolish as to not have a separate "high risk" bank account, but like many, poker is a recreational activity, not my primary source of income.
CHECK YOUR ACCOUNTS FOR UNAUTHORIZED TRANSACTIONS FROM:
On 4/5 Full Tilt Poker posted the following through FTPSean:
FTPSean has not posted publicly since 4/5.
FTPSean sent me the following on 4/6 by PM.
FTPSean has not posted since.
Because of the number of matching transactions and the fact that there are victims who had accounts specially and only for Full Tilt Poker transactions, there is little doubt that one of the following scenarios is in play:
If you have one of these transactions:
It is impossible to tell the exact business name of PMI. “PMI” is just the descriptor they put on their ACH transactions. The thread at http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-875-8035 contains the following information. It is UNCONFIRMED and wrapped in spoil tags. Please take this data with a grain of salt.
Below is a picture linking to a spreadsheet I’m keeping at Google Docs. The picture will be updated regularly, as the spreadsheet of victims is updated.
Other Reading:
A similar thread at Pocket Fives:
http://www.pocketfives.com/f10017/fu...es-pmi-617959/
The old thread in NVG before the close:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ts-ftp-969245/
Starting at the end January, a company identifying itself as PMI 8888758035 began making withdraws from poker-players who had played on Full Tilt Poker. The amounts withdrawn matched deposit amounts that had already cleared through other payment processors. These withdraws were at first seen as oversights -- but it appears as though a FTP payment processor, partner of payment processor or plain old scam artists working on old deposit information is at work.
Despite the fact that FTP promises not to share your banking details with anyone, this is simply untrue. They rely on an army of 3rd-party payment processors; some of which are obviously not above-board.
Numerous victims of “PMI” emailed Full Tilt Poker, and the canned response was always the same:
FTP's response was that they did not initiate the charge and that they would not take any action, despite this company being a known (previously used) payment processor.
At the end of February, PMI 8888758035 did it again. At this point anyone silly enough to not have closed their bank account (myself included) had another ACH withdraw taken from them matching their initial amount. In 2/3rds of transactions where the victims reported the amount stolen, amounts matched FTP deposit amounts from Fall of 2010. Further, other victims reported that their unauthorized ACH transactions matched sizes similar to their FTP deposits. Micro-players had small transactions, where others were taken for $200, $300, and even $500 a month.
Because of the nature of ACH transactions, many people -- myself included -- were left in the cold, unable to reverse their transactions, and left at the mercy of "PMI"
It appears that at the end of March, they did it again. They've changed the name on their ACH transaction and gotten a new account and now PMI SALE is making withdraws. This new name and account went through and hit all of their old marks again -- many of whom, it seems, were FTP players.
I understand I shouldn't have been so foolish as to not have a separate "high risk" bank account, but like many, poker is a recreational activity, not my primary source of income.
CHECK YOUR ACCOUNTS FOR UNAUTHORIZED TRANSACTIONS FROM:
PMI SALE
PMI 8888758035
PMI 8888758035
FTPSean has not posted publicly since 4/5.
FTPSean sent me the following on 4/6 by PM.
FTPSean has not posted since.
Because of the number of matching transactions and the fact that there are victims who had accounts specially and only for Full Tilt Poker transactions, there is little doubt that one of the following scenarios is in play:
- Full Tilt Poker used “PMI” as a transaction processor.
- Full Tilt Poker used a transaction processor that then used or sub-contracted to “PMI.”
- A legitimate Full Tilt Poker transaction processor had a breach of data.
If you have one of these transactions:
- Call your bank immediately, dispute the charges and report fraud.
- Call “PMI” at 8888758035.
- Keep calling until they answer.
- They will ask for your name, ask you to confirm the last four of your checking account, and then tell you that, amazingly, your account is already being processed for a refund.
- After reporting the fraud, please let us know the following:
- The number of times you were charged, and for what amount.
- If your unauthorized withdraw was for the same amount as a FTP transaction (especially one from Summer/Fall of 2010).
- If you have been refunded by your bank, or by calling PMI.
- Consider closing your bank account.
It is impossible to tell the exact business name of PMI. “PMI” is just the descriptor they put on their ACH transactions. The thread at http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-875-8035 contains the following information. It is UNCONFIRMED and wrapped in spoil tags. Please take this data with a grain of salt.
Spoiler:
Below is a picture linking to a spreadsheet I’m keeping at Google Docs. The picture will be updated regularly, as the spreadsheet of victims is updated.
Other Reading:
A similar thread at Pocket Fives:
http://www.pocketfives.com/f10017/fu...es-pmi-617959/
The old thread in NVG before the close:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ts-ftp-969245/
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