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09-01-2008 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
I didn't say what you said I said.

I said I had run across 0%, in chat, 2+2, and in person. (Lori from several years back was a dude, for those graybeards like me who remember "her".) Now suddenly three pop up in one thread. Could happen, I guess. Just providing a data point.

Meanwhile, we don't know why the accounts were banned. Botting might have nothing to do with it. Maybe FTP got sick of 2nd accounts getting huge rakeback.
WAIT - Lorinda was a guy? Where the hell was I when this came out?
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09-01-2008 , 06:36 PM
Well, PM sent to my unofficial 2+2 investigative team.

Cliff's Notes from what I think is neither proprietary nor an aid to bot-builders:
I have a lot (7k or so) tournament summaries. I've actually looked through maybe 300 of them. All of those were played when I was coaching him Sept-Nov of 2007. The ones I only looked at in bulk, including 6k super-turbos, show mistakes that are pretty typical of other people I've coached at that level. All of my coaching to all of my students is very heavy on theory and computation/analysis methods for push/fold decisions, and his was no exception.

Anyways... we'll see what happens I guess. At least some people are getting their accounts unlocked.
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09-01-2008 , 06:43 PM
Slim Pickens, do you recall them playing on any other poker sites? If so, what where their screen names there?

Also, it is probably stated here 13 times and I have read every post at least once, sometimes 20 with quoets, what was DeepComputer's screen name here? DeepComputer?
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09-01-2008 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cjs
WAIT - Lorinda was a guy? Where the hell was I when this came out?
IDK there were various debates about it, but I have it from an impeccable source that coached "her" at poker.
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09-01-2008 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JINGOisME
Slim Pickens, do you recall them playing on any other poker sites? If so, what where their screen names there?
The only "them" I know is DeepComputer=TheFrenkel on Full Tilt = TheFrenkel on 2+2. It's all one person, who is also TheFrenkel on Stars. Actually, now that I look at my files, I realize I have no hand histories from TheFrenkel on FT, just Stars.
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09-01-2008 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Pickens
The only "them" I know is DeepComputer=TheFrenkel on Full Tilt = TheFrenkel on 2+2. It's all one person, who is also TheFrenkel on Stars. Actually, now that I look at my files, I realize I have no hand histories from TheFrenkel on FT, just Stars.

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09-01-2008 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTruthSpeaks
ORLY?
huh...smells like?
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09-01-2008 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GravityPhone
Hello Steven,

Thank you for your patience.

We have completed our investigation into your account and have cleared you of any involvement in activity that is in breach of our End User License Agreement. Therefore your account has been reopened.

Full Tilt Poker goes to great lengths to maintain the fairest possible games for its players. At times this can involve the temporary suspension of accounts until an investigation is carried out. We try to complete all investigations expeditiously, while keeping the player updated; however there are occasions when we must wait for additional information before further action can be taken.

We appreciate your understanding in this matter, and we apologize for any inconvenience this situation may have caused you.

Regards,

Brad
Security and Fraud
Full Tilt Poker
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*sigh of relief*

That was actually not too long at all, I just wish I was told what it was I was being investigated for.
Congratulations, GP. It's refreshing to read one of these threads where a poster turns out to be innocent, rather than a guilty cheater upset at getting caught.

Can you access all of FTP now, including registering for tourneys?

Cheers, Carl.
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09-01-2008 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Pickens
The only "them" I know is DeepComputer=TheFrenkel on Full Tilt = TheFrenkel on 2+2. It's all one person, who is also TheFrenkel on Stars. Actually, now that I look at my files, I realize I have no hand histories from TheFrenkel on FT, just Stars.
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Originally Posted by TheTruthSpeaks
Uh... yes RLY.

I have a lot of super-turbo histories, but I believe none of them are "TheFrenkel" on FT. They are all DeepComputer. All of the "TheFrenkel" hand histories I have are from Stars. Of course these accounts all belong to the same person (let's just call him DeepComputer to keep it straight), and I've known that the whole time. I tried to give him the opportunity to come clean about what I thought was a pretty standard rakeback 2-account on Full Tilt thing, but someone beat him to the connection so I just went ahead and confirmed it so we don't waste time with speculation.
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09-01-2008 , 10:53 PM
I just woke up. I got a similar email to gp's around the same time he posted. I checked my account and I can login and register for sngs.

Now my only concerns are with not getting iron man last month as I was one day away I believe on the morning 29th when I got my account banned during my session. My second is that I'm considering doing a leaderboard prop bet and I don't want to get my account locked again. I emailed ftp with my concerns.

<edit> You guys have been great thanks!

Last edited by guitarizt; 09-01-2008 at 11:12 PM.
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09-01-2008 , 11:09 PM
Congrats guitarizt - I, for one, never doubted you.
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09-01-2008 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by guitarizt
I just woke up. I got a similar email to gp's around the same time he posted. I checked my account and I can login and register for sngs.

Now my only concerns are with not getting iron man last month as I was one day away I believe on the morning 29th when I got my account banned during my session. My second is that I'm considering doing a leaderboard prop bet and I don't want to get my account locked again. I emailed ftp with my concerns.
hope the email goes well. it should be automatic they say yes, but it being ftp....

as far as the prop bet, just bet with the condition that if either player is locked out it's off. A freindly bet that would work fine, a large bet you'd need a 3rd party to verify the lockout, generally the person holding the money for both sides.
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09-01-2008 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by xPeru
Congrats guitarizt - I, for one, never doubted you.
lol, i don't even know who he is. my 2+2 world consists of the sttf **** thread, the sne thread and random hits.
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09-01-2008 , 11:18 PM
I'm glad to see that some people are getting their accounts back. I have sent numerous emails, and have yet to get another response, and of course don't have my account back. Unfortunately, mine will prolly be last - I most likely got put to the back of the line cause of the nature of my emails At least I know that it will prolly be fairly soon - and not weeks like was discussed earlier.
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09-01-2008 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JSnoop
Unfortunately, mine will prolly be last - I most likely got put to the back of the line cause of the nature of my emails .
ROFL, im immediately behind you then!!
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09-02-2008 , 12:23 AM
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Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support. This is to confirm that your Iron Man status for August has been updated, and you have now been credited for reaching Iron status instead of the Gold level. In addition to the 199 medals that you already received, another 105 medals have been credited to your account. Regarding your second concern, as previously mentioned, we have cleared your account of any involvement in activity that is in breach of our End User License Agreement. That being said, as long as you do not breach this agreement, your account will be in good standing with us. Thank you again for your patience and understanding.
Overall I have to say that despite the 2-3 days where they showed lack of communication that I'm happy with how quickly this was resolved.

Last edited by guitarizt; 09-02-2008 at 12:30 AM.
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09-02-2008 , 12:28 AM
well it's good to see them trying to do the right thing on the back end I guess.

I hope whatever broad net they used in this gets a long hard look because it's a pretty crappy way to treat the customer.
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09-02-2008 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by guitarizt
So what did I breach in the end user license agreement?
It doesn't say you did, it says they cleared you of any suspicion and you'll have an account as long as you don't breach the EULA in the future.
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09-02-2008 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
It doesn't say you did, it says they cleared you of any suspicion and you'll have an account as long as you don't breach the EULA in the future.
Yeah I grossly misread that the first few times. ={
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09-02-2008 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
It doesn't say you did, it says they cleared you of any suspicion and you'll have an account as long as you don't breach the EULA in the future.
This. Btw, i think was really a happy end, with the things on the right place. Gratz Guitarizt!

*Waiting for this
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09-02-2008 , 04:42 AM
This may be more fodder for those bothunting: http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for..._3F00_-3216914
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09-02-2008 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by guitarizt
I just woke up. I got a similar email to gp's around the same time he posted. I checked my account and I can login and register for sngs.

Now my only concerns are with not getting iron man last month as I was one day away I believe on the morning 29th when I got my account banned during my session. My second is that I'm considering doing a leaderboard prop bet and I don't want to get my account locked again. I emailed ftp with my concerns.

<edit> You guys have been great thanks!
Congrats guitarizt i hope that there will be more and more posts like this..
hope that my post will be here soon
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09-02-2008 , 06:59 AM
I reported the vietnam players to ftp long ago. If it is cool with a mod i can post a copy/paste of what i sent ftp , if not ill keep it to myself

Edited to say i do not want to receive any pm's about this

Last edited by Scotty_12; 09-02-2008 at 07:06 AM.
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09-02-2008 , 07:51 AM
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped us out/did detective work. Awesome.

Also if anyone wants hand histories with Deep/Frenkel.... I got em.

Thanks!
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09-02-2008 , 08:01 AM
When FTP seizes the funds of the real cheaters, those who have been cleared should expect to receive some of the redistributed funds, amirite?

I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet, since you all were playing in the same SNGs. It would take a a ton of work to figure out fair redistribution, and I have a feeling that the reason why FTP has been so circumspect about this investigation is that they would rather not do all that work. Nobody knows the "official" reason for being investigated, other than a possible breach of the EULA.
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