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07-13-2019 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
You are so wrong about the monopoly. You are right that you want to play there.
you are correct, not a monopoly. a monopoly buys out it's competition, Phil bought out his partners on the same network
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07-13-2019 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NewbNewb
you are correct, not a monopoly. a monopoly buys out it's competition, Phil bought out his partners on the same network

I'm pretty sure Phil has 0 ownership of WPN. WPN is owned by Betcris, the sportsbook.
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07-13-2019 , 03:24 PM
does Sharkscope not able track ACR anymore?? haven't seen any updates since mid May
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07-13-2019 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
You are so wrong about the monopoly. You are right that you want to play there.
Even if technically your right, you are missing the point....
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07-13-2019 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chenoa1964
I'm pretty sure Phil has 0 ownership of WPN. WPN is owned by Betcris, the sportsbook.
good to know, that's one of the oldest, even more reason to not sweat gettin paid
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07-13-2019 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dusk2dawn

Just as infuriating, I still have no rakeback for the past week. Pathetic site.
+1. They also took away 2 venom step tickets I had. And they have no idea what happened to them...
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07-13-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666

I mentioned a couple months ago that this constitutes a breach of contract as well. I think there is actually a couple players that may be owed so much that it would be worth a non class action suit if they ended up not paying out. .
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button? In what world do you think it would be worthwhile to go after a foreign entity over 4 figures of rakeback and elite benefits? Where would you even start? What court of law has the authority over your poker incentives?
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07-13-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button? In what world do you think it would be worthwhile to go after a foreign entity over 4 figures of rakeback and elite benefits? Where would you even start? What court of law has the authority over your poker incentives?
Confirmed, no thought behind HOG's posts. He's just clicking buttons everywhere.
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07-13-2019 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button? In what world do you think it would be worthwhile to go after a foreign entity over 4 figures of rakeback and elite benefits? Where would you even start? What court of law has the authority over your poker incentives?
I did not say that it would be worth it for me personally. There is at least a handful of accounts that are owed high 5 figures and possibly 6 figures.
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07-13-2019 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ITMavAZ
does Sharkscope not able track ACR anymore?? haven't seen any updates since mid May
same
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07-13-2019 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button? In what world do you think it would be worthwhile to go after a foreign entity over 4 figures of rakeback and elite benefits? Where would you even start? What court of law has the authority over your poker incentives?
The process of suing in Costa Rica is famously difficult. To start, they operate under Napoleonic Law vs common law or precedence. Basically, it leans more to a common sense aspect vs statutes. You then have a situation where the courts will aggressively protect locals when pursued by foreigners (there's a reason they're such an attractive locale).

Assuming you're that headstrong you want to pursue it, it will cost a lot of money and time. In other words.....not happening for a couple of bucks. Ever. Maybe that moron at Game-Protect will try and help people out again. Just like he did with Full Flush. Complete sarcasm....

As much of a pain in the ass the delay and glitches have been, I think there is one thing that cannot be logically argued and that is WPN not paying what is owed. Their financial backing is substantial and I don't know if the lives of those people would change one iota if they incurred an 8 figure losses.
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07-13-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
I did not say that it would be worth it for me personally. There is at least a handful of accounts that are owed high 5 figures and possibly 6 figures.
There is no way anyone would be able to earn $100k in lass than 2 months time, so quit spouting off numbers you pulled out of nowhere because you are losing credibility. 7 weeks of beast payments at $2500 would be $17,500. At 27% rakeback it would take over $300,000 in rake generated to build up that amount of rakeback to make up the $82,500. Considering the weighted distribution method, it seems impossible for a winning player to earn that. Even elite benefits it would be hard to believe.

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07-13-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
There is no way anyone would be able to earn $100k in lass than 2 months time, so quit spouting off numbers you pulled out of nowhere because you are losing credibility. 7 weeks of beast payments at $2500 would be $17,500. At 27% rakeback it would take over $300,000 in rake generated to build up that amount of rakeback to make up the $82,500. Considering the weighted distribution method, it seems impossible for a winning player to earn that. Even elite benefits it would be hard to believe.
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button?
27% rakeback? Anyone who is consistently finishing high on the beast leaderboard is getting a lot more than 27% rakeback and in most cases they are receiving north of 70% rakeback. I'm not sure about WPN but players have definitely accumulated over 100 000 in rakeback over a 2 month period on pokerstars back when they had a similar VIP program.
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07-13-2019 , 06:58 PM
70% rakeback? Who gets 70%? If you really thought that there were many players generating 100k in rakeback you wouldn't be worried about not getting paid. Plus, with the software issues regulars haven't been able to grind quite as many hours or as many tables.
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07-13-2019 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
70% rakeback? Who gets 70%? If you really thought that there were many players generating 100k in rakeback you wouldn't be worried about not getting paid. Plus, with the software issues regulars haven't been able to grind quite as many hours or as many tables.
Anybody who is a cash game regular is on the VIP program so the 27% rakeback you mentioned is completely irrelevant to what he posted and yes if you are top level of the VIP program and you combine that with what you can receive from the beast promo your rakeback can be that high.
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07-13-2019 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
Do you think things thru before you type and click the post button?

27% rakeback? Anyone who is consistently finishing high on the beast leaderboard is getting a lot more than 27% rakeback and in most cases they are receiving north of 70% rakeback. I'm not sure about WPN but players have definitely accumulated over 100 000 in rakeback over a 2 month period on pokerstars back when they had a similar VIP program.
I'm not sure those numbers are accurate. 500K in annual rake is 300K in E.B. as a 5 star. Top tier is 70%ish. That's equal to taking 5k a day. I dont know if there is enough traffic at the high stakes to do that. VAY would be a much better judge of that.
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07-13-2019 , 07:35 PM
Did not receive any hand histories today. Cannot find them in the client either. This is quite infuriating for people who sell action for games etc. Will I ever be able to recover these?
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07-13-2019 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
So much lag. Tourney lobby won't even load for me (Mac. True Poker) I really hope they are investing or do invest in some better/more developers.
Running ACR on Mac Mojave with no lag. Great improvement over previous Mac 'beta.'
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07-13-2019 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
I'm not sure those numbers are accurate. 500K in annual rake is 300K in E.B. as a 5 star. Top tier is 70%ish. That's equal to taking 5k a day. I dont know if there is enough traffic at the high stakes to do that. VAY would be a much better judge of that.
Which numbers are not accurate? My only point is that hes an idiot for saying 27%. I don't know if there are many top tier guys on WPN but I would have to imagine there are a few. Becoming top tier does not require high stakes. Most of the guys who got top tier on stars played 3-6 or below.

Someone being owed 6 figures is unlikely but there are probably some guys owed 5 figures

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07-13-2019 , 08:04 PM
seems to currently be at least $1.45 million of overlay for the Venom with 586 registered... do you guys think it will get the $5 million to cover?... (are my numbers correct?)

registration isn't open for 7/22, but has 293 players... are those the folks who won tickets or sattys?

Last edited by WSPreadHead; 07-13-2019 at 08:14 PM.
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07-13-2019 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
Which numbers are not accurate? My only point is that hes an idiot for saying 27%. I don't know if there are many top tier guys on WPN but I would have to imagine there are a few. Becoming top tier does not require high stakes. Most of the guys who got top tier on stars played 3-6 or below.

Someone being owed 6 figures is unlikely but there are probably some guys owed 5 figures
Sure, but I don't think anyone on rakeback is an idiot because they aren't aware of the E.B. I'd guess most players aren't aware if the E.B. numbers and how they compare to rakeback.

100% there are are 5 figure debts owed out to E.B. players. I think 6 figures might be a reach. My bigger concern is will I retain the rank with two months off limited playing.
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07-13-2019 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by WSPreadHead
seems to currently be at least $1.45 million of overlay for the Venom with 586 registered... do you guys think it will get the $5 million to cover?... (are my numbers correct?)

registration isn't open for 7/22, but has 293 players... are those the folks who won tickets or sattys?
I think anything under a million in overlay is a success in their eyes. My opinion is that it's a step to build for future Venom games. No inside info, just a marketing opinion.
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07-13-2019 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
70% rakeback? Who gets 70%? If you really thought that there were many players generating 100k in rakeback you wouldn't be worried about not getting paid. Plus, with the software issues regulars haven't been able to grind quite as many hours or as many tables.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Beast race prizes are a form of rakeback, VIP rewards are a form of rakeback. Repats12 is getting around 50k beast points per week, he also plays a high and midstakes and lots of shortheaded/hu. I dont think it is unreasoable to estimate that he is raking close to or more than 10k a week. With all of those forms of rakeback he can easily get over 90% rakeback.

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Originally Posted by a dewd
I'm not sure those numbers are accurate. 500K in annual rake is 300K in E.B. as a 5 star. Top tier is 70%ish. That's equal to taking 5k a day. I dont know if there is enough traffic at the high stakes to do that. VAY would be a much better judge of that.
Don't forget beast prizes. ($2500/week) x 52 weeks = $130,000 you left out.
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07-13-2019 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WSPreadHead
seems to currently be at least $1.45 million of overlay for the Venom with 586 registered... do you guys think it will get the $5 million to cover?... (are my numbers correct?)

registration isn't open for 7/22, but has 293 players... are those the folks who won tickets or sattys?
how many of those freerolled their way in? might be even more overlay considering that
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07-13-2019 , 09:30 PM
Has anyone displayed this when clicking on rewards -> rakeback in the client?
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