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02-21-2019 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace070118
My question is what has happened in the last week? Since last Thursday (2/14/2019), at least 80% of the players at the tables I play are people I have never seen before.
And from 2 through 25NL I'm not seeing anything that resembles a bot.
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02-21-2019 , 01:54 PM
Maybe something to do with oss series’ and deposit bonus??
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02-21-2019 , 02:02 PM
I know that back in the day there was no way to clear a reload bonus playing micros. Has anything changed? Have they scaled the system at all?
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02-21-2019 , 02:42 PM
Nothing has changed with respect to reload deposit bonuses as far as I know.
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02-21-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
Ya, if they had more tourneys with less late reg time I'd actually play some. As is I don't touch those half a day tourneys. I don't have the patience for that nonsense.
I don't mind long tournaments. In fact the longer the better IMO.

It's the Multi-Hour Re-Entry's that crush me.
Play for 2,3, 4, or 5 hours running good & playing smart and then here comes the herd of people buying in close to the bubble.
Sometimes buying in for just a hand full of Blinds and Shoving looking for double ups.

I stopped playing tournaments on Winning. Just not worth the aggravation. Which is too bad because I love tournaments & used to play nothing but tournaments years ago.
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02-21-2019 , 03:14 PM
Not sure why short stacks coming in and shoving is a bad thing... I personally love it (both as a deeper stack and as the rebuyer)
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02-21-2019 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
This is probably the most pernicious software bug that I have experienced. Also the time bank reserve activated sound glitch is unreal (you have to disable this sound, I tried using custom sounds and couldn't find one that wasn't annoying on loop).
Ok, so I'm not the only one.. I also lost some serious ev because of the bug. But this bug didn't exist for me last year.

Forgot about that sound bug.. also happens regularly.. but that one I have for long time already.
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02-21-2019 , 10:58 PM
Hey, I've looked around and can't find an answer. Is there any way to disable that annoying yellow popup showing tournaments in late reg that blocks half the effing table when you're in a hand? Thanks in advance.
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02-22-2019 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sled mobiles
Hey, I've looked around and can't find an answer. Is there any way to disable that annoying yellow popup showing tournaments in late reg that blocks half the effing table when you're in a hand? Thanks in advance.
unfortunately not
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02-22-2019 , 01:37 PM
No way to turn off messages we send manually no but as annoying as they are for some players. It saves us thousands and thousands a month. I know they are a pain but we need them.

I will let you into a little secret. New software is right around the corner.
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02-22-2019 , 02:01 PM
I think you can effectively get rid of them via modding by reducing TableMessagePadding to 0 in the fname file or whatever, but wait for new software unless you're familiar with modding.
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02-22-2019 , 03:13 PM
Hello,

I have a quick question in regards to the steps for the venmo tournament. If I i win a tournament ticket to another step am i able to exchange that ticket for tourney bucks or do I have to play the next step?
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02-22-2019 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by F0urInAR0we
Hello,

I have a quick question in regards to the steps for the venmo tournament. If I i win a tournament ticket to another step am i able to exchange that ticket for tourney bucks or do I have to play the next step?
Venom Step tickets are good for the venom only. This is why they have that added 1 cent amount to their values.
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02-22-2019 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerDrunker
Venom Step tickets are good for the venom only. This is why they have that added 1 cent amount to their values.
Alright thank you looks like im just gonna have to grind it out and hopefully make that final step
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02-22-2019 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iTzLifestyle
Any tips on spotting bots?
for nl holdem its pretty simple , all the bots have 50~52 WWSF , high wtsd 30+ , cbeflop 60~66% , cbet turn 58~62 , they all have 9% 3bet , they fold very little to cbets , 30~38 flop , 28~32 turn , if you see all this stats combined i can guarantee its a bot .
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02-22-2019 , 04:56 PM
They don't care. I been reporting the same 2 bots at plo for months. Plo and these 2 players need have a losing session. Winning 22bb/100 hands innthebhands I have played with them. And vpip pfr 3bet, fold to 3bet etc is almost exactly same in both of them.
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02-22-2019 , 05:03 PM
Please add an option to filter out the 6+ tables from the lobby.
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02-22-2019 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FernandoCosta
for nl holdem its pretty simple , all the bots have 50~52 WWSF , high wtsd 30+ , cbeflop 60~66% , cbet turn 58~62 , they all have 9% 3bet , they fold very little to cbets , 30~38 flop , 28~32 turn , if you see all this stats combined i can guarantee its a bot .
How many are there at micro games? I
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02-22-2019 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FernandoCosta
for nl holdem its pretty simple , all the bots have 50~52 WWSF , high wtsd 30+ , cbeflop 60~66% , cbet turn 58~62 , they all have 9% 3bet , they fold very little to cbets , 30~38 flop , 28~32 turn , if you see all this stats combined i can guarantee its a bot .
um...these are calling station stats. A little more aggressive than your typical micro calling station but one nonetheless. I don't think most of the successful bots call down to what you are stating on the flop and turn and they get to showdown much less than 30%. They are much more aggressive. This just highlights the differences in what one player thinks is a bot compared to another and really dilutes the argument. We are both guilty.
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02-22-2019 , 10:07 PM
A pretty standard aggressive bot in microstakes NL often has stats like the ones seen in this thread that i posted awhile back

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...87/?highlight=


Theres a few slightly different bot profiles shown throughout the thread
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02-23-2019 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Spacerat65
How many are there at micro games? I
The thread below shows that the OP believes 1/3 of the top volume regs at one stake(25NL) are bots. I believe him to correct for the most part. That is just one stake though. There are obviously many more on the network when you take into account other game types and stakes/buy-in levels.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-bot-1727995/


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Originally Posted by moss84
um...these are calling station stats. A little more aggressive than your typical micro calling station but one nonetheless. I don't think most of the successful bots call down to what you are stating on the flop and turn and they get to showdown much less than 30%. They are much more aggressive. This just highlights the differences in what one player thinks is a bot compared to another and really dilutes the argument. We are both guilty.
He is not stating anything that dilutes the argument by saying this as just his opinion on the matter. He actually posted data. What he is stating are facts and I can confirm what he says is mostly true. I can show you similar bots with very good bb/100 playing all the way up to 200NL with 100k+ hand samples in my database. I can also show you breakeven and slightly losing ones with similar stats. That is just one type of bot though. There's more than one bot profile being used, but that type is probably the most common one you will find in the micros these days. The bots generally start playing a bit more balanced as the stakes get higher.
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02-23-2019 , 02:53 AM
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Well this is discouraging. I was going put money on account mid December and buy Holden manager. Still will and I'll log all hands stats so I'm sure I'll find bots.

Sadly this and betonline which doesn't offer nl2 are my only options ignition says my area not allowed
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02-23-2019 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Spacerat65
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Well this is discouraging. I was going put money on account mid December and buy Holden manager. Still will and I'll log all hands stats so I'm sure I'll find bots.

Sadly this and betonline which doesn't offer nl2 are my only options ignition says my area not allowed
Unfortunately most, if not all, of the sites available to players in the US have some amount of bots. BetOnline and Ignition are certainly not bot free.

I did a quick check of your post history and couldn't find any location mentioned, but I could have missed it. This really isn't the proper thread to discuss other poker site options, but there may be some you aren't aware of. Have you read the thread below? If not, then I suggest you read about some of the other options that may be available to you and post there if you have any questions about other sites.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-18-a-1238038/
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02-23-2019 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bed
I’m requesting some clarification on the reasoning behind removal of high stakes hu hypers. I understand that this was intended to help the casual player not get destroyed by the hu gto wizards/bots. I understood this move. Playing with an edge is the goal for poker players but some players don’t realize what they’re doing when they sit a Russian hu.

But then you turn and lower rake in reg speeds from 10% to 4% (if I remember correctly)
How was it not considered this could make things worse? Make a way lower variance format with waaaay more hands to play for those who may be cheating a much more viable option of printing money. 4% rake on $500 reg speeds? That’s just straight asking for a toxic hu environment.

Also why not o8 reg speeds? That’s my focus game but o8/Omaha players are just forgotten about. We are left with $30.70 hypers. No cheating goes on in o8 but we suffered consequences of a toxic nlh environment. Ignition has reg speed $50s; wpn should offer same thing.

How to fix this? Well what you guys decided was not too well thought out. I have something that can help. Put up a warning message for players that click register for hu nlh high stakes. Similar to the one with 6+ nlh, except it would say something along the lines of “this format you are about to enter has players who have dedicated a lot of their time to learn specifically heads up no limit Holdem. Please be warned that upon entering, you will likely be outmatched.” I’m very open to hearing the negative effects this warning would cause. If WPN is truly concerned about the casual player and they want to improve the overall ecosystem, then they wouldn’t have a problem taking a small hit to their rake profits when these hu matches run less
Bed, dont you dare come stepping into this thread with logical solutions. It's not how things work okay. You need to ask generic questions posed to Winning_TD and patiently wait for his response that gives you no clarity or specifics.

With that being said I'm sitting ignition huplo sng's quite often. lets mix it up like we did on wpn(this is Fade)
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02-23-2019 , 06:40 PM
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He is not stating anything that dilutes the argument by saying this as just his opinion on the matter. He actually posted data. What he is stating are facts and I can confirm what he says is mostly true. I can show you similar bots with very good bb/100 playing all the way up to 200NL with 100k+ hand samples in my database. I can also show you breakeven and slightly losing ones with similar stats. That is just one type of bot though. There's more than one bot profile being used, but that type is probably the most common one you will find in the micros these days. The bots generally start playing a bit more balanced as the stakes get higher.
Yes he posted data and they are facts but his interpretation of the data is what i'm alluding to. Not all profiles with the described stats are bots. The latter part of your post above even supports that.
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