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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
All fair points Bobo. Bo handshake needed, but you dont even mess with these lobrow sites right?
Ah, I see what you're getting at. It's true that not being American, I don't share the direct experiences of most ITT.
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
Most people I know still never received all of their funds back from Full Tilt or Ultimate Bet though and it took years to get back anything.
Hmm. Well, if you know of anyone who didn't get their AP/UB money back, there's a thread in NVG with details of how to do that, and it *might* still be possible to go through that process. Probably wouldn't even hurt to check out the same for FT, but it's been a while since those refunds were issued. I know there are some people who didn't get money back for one reason or another, but if it's most people you know, I can't help but wonder if some of them didn't know about how to do it. Or maybe they were just unlucky, or the unpaid number is greater than I thought. And agreed that it took a long time. A VERY long time.
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
My main argument about the differences between then and now is that at that time those sites were attempting to conduct business in the US in the proper legal fashion. Where as today these sites are basically hiding in plain site.
They were flouting the UIGEA just like the ones that are still around, but you're right that it was out in the open then, whereas now they do things differently.
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Originally Posted by DaddyDuck
I am yes speculating that DOJ wouldnt recover funds because of jurisdiction and lack of american based bank accounts to be seized, but I dont truly know DOJ limitations. Just seems it would be a whole lot easier for DOJ to kick in the doors if Nagy had an office in say.. Arizona?
The thing is, it's not just whether the DOJ would recover the funds, but also whether the sites would just flee with the money. If they want to keep operating on a different IP, as you mentioned, they might want to keep their customers, which would mean leaving the funds in their accounts. And I'm also not convinced that the DOJ would even be able, or willing, to go the route of blocking IPs anyway. But admittedly I'm also just speculating.
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Originally Posted by krcmdc
Really? So in your world, at most 7 internet poker sites have ever unexpectedly shut down?
LOL, what? I named 4 sites - the ones that were affected by the DOJ's actions on "Black Friday". That's what was being discussed - sites shut down in the US by the DOJ, not any site that's ever shut down unexpectedly. Of course we all know that no one got their money back from Lock, Full Flush, Minted, and a number of other sites.