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08-05-2018 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by matrixmoney
I feel for you guys who have made withdrawal request after depositing for MOSS. You're going to get an email denying it because you will need to generate at least 10% of rake from the deposit. Yep, as I said earlier, its an incentive for them to cancel huge overlay tournaments and profit from all of the players who deposited for the series.

See my withdrawal request being denied from the last "DDOS attacks" when I attempted to withdraw. Note, this wasn't my first deposit, it was when the last ddos attacks happened and I withdrew because all of the tourney's were canceled.

Your recent cash out request in the amount of $98.56 USD has been canceled and the funds returned to your Digital Exchange account.
Reason (s):
Be kindly advised that your withdrawal is based on a recent deposit. Funds deposited are meant for you to fund your account in order to access the games we offer. You can cash out any earnings coming from our games but you must generate at least 10% of rake revenue over the amount deposited to be eligible for a payout.
Stop being a conspiracy theorist troll. They rescheduled the MOSS MTT's #1 , #2, and #3 until next Sunday. Even after those events the DDOS attacks have continued tonight and they had to cancel more of the regular scheduled MTT's. I have never had any trouble withdrawing any money from ACR. That is actually one of the pro's of playing on the site withdrawals are really quick.
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08-05-2018 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by herly33
Stop being a conspiracy theorist troll. They rescheduled the MOSS MTT's #1 , #2, and #3 until next Sunday. Even after those events the DDOS attacks have continued tonight and they had to cancel more of the regular scheduled MTT's. I have never had any trouble withdrawing any money from ACR. That is actually one of the pro's of playing on the site withdrawals are really quick.

That's EXACTLY the only PRO of this site...
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08-05-2018 , 08:28 PM
And you think events 1,2,3 are the only ones that will be canceled? Okay, lets see if any other events with big overlays don't get canceled and I'll zip it up. Until then, be prepared to feed the bots when you get denied a withdrawal request because you have to generate 10% rake on your deposit.
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08-05-2018 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by matrixmoney
And you think events 1,2,3 are the only ones that will be canceled? Okay, lets see if any other events with big overlays don't get canceled and I'll zip it up. Until then, be prepared to feed the bots when you get denied a withdrawal request because you have to generate 10% rake on your deposit.
Well if the DDOS attacks continue then more MTT's will be cancelled in the future. Put yourself in there position. If you ran a business that was getting hacked and the only way to prevent future attacks was to pay a ransom would you do it without any assurance that they won't just continue to do them and continue to ask for more money? It's a no win situation for both the players and the site.
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08-05-2018 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by herly33
Well if the DDOS attacks continue then more MTT's will be cancelled in the future. Put yourself in there position. If you ran a business that was getting hacked and the only way to prevent future attacks was to pay a ransom would you do it without any assurance that they won't just continue to do them and continue to ask for more money? It's a no win situation for both the players and the site.
so why isn't this happening to any other online based businesses?
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08-05-2018 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by herly33
Well if the DDOS attacks continue then more MTT's will be cancelled in the future. Put yourself in there position. If you ran a business that was getting hacked and the only way to prevent future attacks was to pay a ransom would you do it without any assurance that they won't just continue to do them and continue to ask for more money? It's a no win situation for both the players and the site.
Of course I wouldn't pay, but I wouldn't allow it to continue either, UNLESS it's a benefit to the company. There's no reason for them to allow these breaches to occur other than intentional purposes. Incompetence is not acceptable as any business would have invested in securing their servers due to the loss of profit. But again, that is if the "ddos" attacks are truly a loss a profit for them or not. Personally, I think canceling tournaments before registration has ended and forcing the influx of cash flow that deposited to generate 10% rake is more profitable than paying out overlays when GTD's don't get met, or are 50-75% met but only by a certain percentage of players who are known to hit and run and not generate rake after major tournaments or series. Naturally, you would think this would be suicide in any business because of the pr nightmare, right? Well, when you're one of two us companies offering online poker, what are your customers really going to do?

Open your eyes and realize that 1- securing servers and infrastructure from ddos attacks is not expensive and difficult for a company thats making profits and incompetence simply isn't a valid excuse for a business like this. 2- Covering overlays are expensive. 3 - ACR likely has databases with player deposit, win and withdrawal statistics that they may use to justify canceling tournaments for "whatever reason" 4 - they will enforce all the players who deposited for the MOSS tournament to generate at least 10% rake, and as DP has pointed out, more rake is better.
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08-05-2018 , 08:48 PM
As a business if it's between intentionally pissing people off by staging your own DDOS attacks when overlays are too big OR just lowering your guarantees (ahead of time), I would think most businesses pick lowering guarantees, right?
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08-05-2018 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by matrixmoney
Of course I wouldn't pay, but I wouldn't allow it to continue either, UNLESS it's a benefit to the company. There's no reason for them to allow these breaches to occur other than intentional purposes. Incompetence is not acceptable as any business would have invested in securing their servers due to the loss of profit. But again, that is if the "ddos" attacks are truly a loss a profit for them or not. Personally, I think canceling tournaments before registration has ended and forcing the influx of cash flow that deposited to generate 10% rake is more profitable than paying out overlays when GTD's don't get met, or are 50-75% met but only by a certain percentage of players who are known to hit and run and not generate rake after major tournaments or series. Naturally, you would think this would be suicide in any business because of the pr nightmare, right? Well, when you're one of two us companies offering online poker, what are your customers really going to do?

Open your eyes and realize that 1- securing servers and infrastructure from ddos attacks is not expensive and difficult for a company thats making profits and incompetence simply isn't a valid excuse for a business like this. 2- Covering overlays are expensive. 3 - ACR likely has databases with player deposit, win and withdrawal statistics that they may use to justify canceling tournaments for "whatever reason" 4 - they will enforce all the players who deposited for the MOSS tournament to generate at least 10% rake, and as DP has pointed out, more rake is better.
It makes perfect sense to me.

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and as DP has pointed out, more rake is better
Does "P" stands for "piece of sh it"?
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08-05-2018 , 09:06 PM
down yet again?
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08-05-2018 , 09:07 PM
down for me
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08-05-2018 , 09:10 PM
Glad I didn't join any MTTs after the initial wave.
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08-05-2018 , 09:18 PM
everyone else down>?
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08-05-2018 , 09:19 PM
Haven't joined any mtts, but I have played 2 or 3 jackpots sngs 5 minutes ago, one at a time. All the games went well. Suddenly, after finishing the game, I could not register for another. Restart and :"checking for new version" for 2 minutes...now in "configuring".

"Nothing to see here. Move along".
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08-05-2018 , 09:19 PM
and another one
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08-05-2018 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MerginHosOn24s
so why isn't this happening to any other online based businesses?
phil nagy does not run them have you seen the guy?
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08-05-2018 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CALLIBAN
It makes perfect sense to me.



Does "P" stands for "piece of sh it"?
yeah the p in phil for sure bro..
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08-05-2018 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jackaaron
As a business if it's between intentionally pissing people off by staging your own DDOS attacks when overlays are too big OR just lowering your guarantees (ahead of time), I would think most businesses pick lowering guarantees, right?
Which do you think will generate deposits to the site? Higher or lower guarantees? More money deposited on the site = more rake. More rake is better.

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08-05-2018 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by matrixmoney
And you think events 1,2,3 are the only ones that will be canceled? Okay, lets see if any other events with big overlays don't get canceled and I'll zip it up.
It was way too early to declare "big overlays" in the first 3 events. Remember they have 42 hours of late reg. But historically, 1, 2, and 3 (which are always the same) have not overlaid.
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08-05-2018 , 09:59 PM
ddos attacks ha really funny stuff

for anyone new to this check back a few years basically since the history of this entire network and kinda even before when it was doyels they have always been glitchy

the ddos attacks has mitigated the angry mob a bit as demonstrated in this thread by the wpn sympathizers that "feel" for the networks position

feel lucky though many of us early players had to hear the issues were on our end and eat a "nagy" or fight with an arrogant or oblivious rep while listening to laughter and good times in back ground going on

so yeah motives IDK really...the post about any special for MOSS deposits that will now get house botted for they roll that was suppose to be for low dough high reward events now will feed that beast

Cuz as another poster mentioned you must be a degen to play here and they know it

conspiracy theories occur when the root source is unreliable to be open and forth coming to the population that is inquiring

I will say if I could quantify laughter from comedy I could take some dough off the money this network owes myself, friends and other players for openly blatantly cheating its customers for years by allowing if not participating in unfair game play by the posters who still shill to these scumbags

kahn take the "nagy" out ur mouth for once while you type ur post maybe taste reality instead of future potential lil phils
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08-05-2018 , 10:01 PM
so its back up?

ugh all the tourneys that were running just disappeared. looks like my Sunday grind on WPN will once again, be non existent.

also people speculating and making their own conjectures in regards to these "DDoS attacks"...that's a far cry from tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, and is absolutely fair game inside this thread; especially considering the recent and abrupt end of their official forum/ads on 2+2.

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08-05-2018 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by netgod44
ddos attacks ha really funny stuff

for anyone new to this check back a few years basically since the history of this entire network and kinda even before when it was doyels they have always been glitchy

the ddos attacks has mitigated the angry mob a bit as demonstrated in this thread by the wpn sympathizers that "feel" for the networks position

feel lucky though many of us early players had to hear the issues were on our end and eat a "nagy" or fight with an arrogant or oblivious rep while listening to laughter and good times in back ground going on

so yeah motives IDK really...the post about any special for MOSS deposits that will now get house botted for they roll that was suppose to be for low dough high reward events now will feed that beast

Cuz as another poster mentioned you must be a degen to play here and they know it

conspiracy theories occur when the root source is unreliable to be open and forth coming to the population that is inquiring

I will say if I could quantify laughter from comedy I could take some dough off the money this network owes myself, friends and other players for openly blatantly cheating its customers for years by allowing if not participating in unfair game play by the posters who still shill to these scumbags

kahn take the "nagy" out ur mouth for once while you type ur post maybe taste reality instead of future potential lil phils
Said pretty much the same thing 5 months ago after the umpteenth time being DCed during big runs and got ridiculed for saying so. But you're right, people will degen back into it , because of the lousy position the US government puts us in (and we all cry out for more "regulation") More regulation is Better .
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08-05-2018 , 10:12 PM
I said this same thing 5 years ago I believe sad really

they bluff kinda weak..I snap called queen high on a river all in it was good

glad I walked away not just for my mental health but the years my networth was dwindled down or remained stalemate is now finally over funny cuz my sample size is not just myself but a few other friends who also voted with they feet....we all finally banking again like we had always done until we pigeon holes ourselves to just wpn,,that dam 33% rakeback was powerful

but rakeback sucks compared to steady above marginal gains that lead to wealth not just monetarily but mentally

serious every day grinders of wpn take a deep breath step away and revisit the options don't be lazy and you will thank yourself in a short period of time
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08-05-2018 , 10:19 PM
down...?
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08-05-2018 , 10:27 PM
MOSS events 1, 2, 3, and 4 have been rescheduled for next Sunday. We will see what happens, but provided those events go off and make it to finish, the overlay conspiracists will have to put their pitchforks away.

However, even if it’s truly a DDoS attack, it’s still so annoying at this point they haven’t put the proper security in place.
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08-05-2018 , 10:28 PM
are yall down someone throw me a bone here I cant login
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