Seems at least a few of them still play at 10NL

@hugestacks what you're saying about the relationship between luck and skill in any kind of long run scenario is just not in tune with reality. It really isn't up to debate, computers, solvers, and AI have all proved this. I understand what you're saying in terms of rigging or some kind of OOL activity but in regards to that we need more solid, direct evidence of this to believe it. When we assume the most sinister outcome just because it is possible and consistent with an extremely broad and unfocused set of facts, we become no more than conspiracy theorists. Occams razor applies here, the simplest explanation is just so much more likely than that the site is trying to rig the game against you or any other kind of conspiracy.

lol at FreshThyme

See, this really isn't saying anything and obviously for anyone reading this they can see that I'm making valid points and you're just repeatedly trying to insist this has something to do with player ability. You're more than entitled to sit and defend the scam site, but I also am more than entitled to see what any reasonable, intelligent person can and does see and not play hands here.

I legitimately like how a lot of you write and I think you're interesting people. That said - There's no need for this kind of dick shaking. You and I both know it.

lol at Huge Stacks

Alright, well I guess if you're going to shake both of our dicks it cancels out and I'll allow it.

You aren't making valid points. You can't beat 10NL and instead of spending time getting better you come here to cry. Which do you think would be more productive?

Omg...once again, just like a parrot. If you're going to INSIST that I "can't beat 10NL" even though I keep telling you I'm beating 50NL and insist that going thousands of hands being card dead has something to do with poker ability, the discussion's over. I said what I had to say and there's no need to clutter up the thread anymore.

I do work on my game. Extensively. I was #3 on RIO's top monthly members for May. If you read my posting history, you'll see I'm heavily involved in play, study, and HUD work. I love the game, will continue to work on it, but also do have an opinion on WPN at this point and expressed it. As said, there's really no reason to beat this any further right now.

I have to agree with Huge Stacks to a degree. I see what you are saying Fresh but the results of any player have nothing to do and he also has an information advantage on that so I wouldn't want to debate someone about their skill. Stick to pointing out the empirical facts and the logic and shy away from ad hominem attacks. Huge Stacks intentions or background are irrelevant to his points.

@HugeStacks - If you’re crushing 50NL on another site, but can’t beat 10NL on this site, what is the conclusion here? It’s to stick to the other site where you are crushing.

ACR is indeed the hardest site to beat. I love their software and all, but why play here when you can crush fish on Global or Ignition? Don’t waste your time on ACR.

# 3 on RIO may?

4 yrs experience?

can beat 50nl on some sites?

These are not impressive stats since many posters playing over a decade.

I just don't think you are that good b/c you talk like a player who is not that good. 2k hands without getting queens? who cares? I think it is only 1/222 hands so that is surely possible.

HugeStacks, please don't derail this thread with your rigged posts. We have a big thread for rigged theories; that's where your anecdotes and speculation belongs. And if you have some proof, you should start a standalone thread, as that would be huge news that needs to be brought to everyone's attention.

But this is what makes me wonder why we also have to sit on waiting lists to join these tables: Why are all of these players playing here in a reg and bot packed environment that isn't rake friendly?

And that's ridiculous that you would draw a total conclusion about my ability based on that.

Why ask why? Screw them and go crush 50NL imo.

Edit: just read Bobo’s post. I will stop on this topic. Don’t want t derail.

That's not how I think. I'm going to play 50NL, but I'm still extremely curious. Look, I sat and played on this site when it was even harder and I had virtually zero money to redeposit with. At this point, I'm still going to play here for the sheer challenge of it but I would like to rest a little more assured that the games are legitimate. It just really seems like they're not entirely so here on WPN.

edit: And I'm 100% done about this, too. I don't want to derail the thread any further, either and am sorry for the extent that I did do such.

Thanks.

when was WPN even harder?

2014-2016. It was absolutely insane at one point but I do have to say that here in June of 2018, it's really tough on these weeknights.

Any thoughts on why it was tougher back then? Obviously not the overall direction poker has seemingly gone in so I am curious why WPN was different.

I mean, there's a ton of guys who would know better than me. I think it was still close enough to Black Friday than now so that there was a combination of really, really good and profitable players playing extremely well rolled and that weaker players were far more hesitant than today to deposit on these sites in the first place. For a while there, many of us in certain states couldn't even deposit via our debit card and had to go through a lot of western union garbage. These circumstances just seemed to really filter out a lot of recs. Also, I've always suspected this site of nefarious things like a lot of us have. I like it here more than any other site, too but because it's so much less profitable I can't justify putting in that much volume here.

4 years of experience is the least I've heard of on this forum. What made you interested in online poker all of a sudden in 2014?

I was playing a ton of online chess (and was going to a local club, too) and began getting hit with advertisements for different poker sites for the first time since the mid 2000's. Since I regretted not getting into the game back then (I spent like $20k on school and began working a regular job instead) I didn't see how it could hurt to make a small deposit and then go from there. I've been playing on and off since but increasingly much, much more so over the last 6-12 months. I did virtually nothing but this in April and May of this year.

You know right here this means I legitimately like the game. I very much do. I just get frustrated like the rest of us and perhaps voice my opinion too loudly at times. As said, I won't derail the thread with my suspicions any further but I will continue to work on my game. I have to keep the big picture in mind during bad sessions now as I'm winning on BOL and Ignition overall and almost have a suitable roll put aside to begin playing $1/2 live.

I see. Good post. It's good to see someone develop an interest post BF.

We all get frustrated. Keep it up. These dark holes go away. I swear I've run so bad sometimes that I felt there was a hidden camera in my apartment or a keystroke logger/screen scraper on my computer placed by my opponents.

I laugh at that stuff now (was back in 2012) but you will run killer bad sometimes. That's why it's a great game.