Yes Pauly there was a system update. I had to fully uninstall and reinstall the software. Do that and you should be off and running.

That stinks. My bank credit card works for both ACR and Ignition. Never had an issue. Now my debit card won't work but the credit card does (VISA). I do my withdrawals with Block Chain/Coinbase. Fortunate enough to not have any issues.

god I miss the days of netteller,bank….so easy

Wow Reallly. ??

Hope I can add some small clarity to the 48/49 winner on shark scope. On Joe Ingram's ACR Investigation thread this issue was brought up. While there very likely is some OOL activity going on in regards to players winning an insanely high percentage, likely money laundering, a number of legitimate players have reported that shark scope has inaccurately reported their win rate, which was an answer that Joey accepted. It looks like this sort of situation is more of a sharkscope than an ACR issue.

It is definitely either one or the other. I guess that is obvious, though.

Yeah sharkscope tracks HU sngs on WPN in a weird way if you rematch someone continuously.

In the past i played around 40 hu hypers vs one guy and broke even, on sharkscope it showed up as ~20 straight wins followed by 20 losses

Havent played them in many months but i assume that's still the case and can explain some big winning streaks

Just played here again and still wonder why anybody plays cash here. This is by far the least profitable network to play poker on when it comes to the entire internet. Further, as was always the case here, every single day the same 3 or 4 players at every stake just absolutely CRUSH the flop. Over, and over, and over. I don't see how anyone could beat a micros game here over any decent sample size with the rake plus absolutely zero fish anywhere. Guys with solid stats calling down in absolutely ridiculous situations and then repeatedly catching runner runner or miracle river. It's so obvious why 2+2 wants nothing to do with this complete scam site anymore.

WPN = Rigged and bot infested. Ignition = No gaming license and bots infested. BetOnline - No traffic and bot infested. Horizon = No traffic and the worst customer service when it comes to payouts.

Great market for us here in the States.

Shark Scope isn't a very accurate place to check stats on WPN, fyi. It can help gain a general idea, but can also be way off, miss games, etc.

Once again: Looking through the lobby @ 10NL, it's all the same players sitting there with 200-400 bb's again. Night after night. I've sat with some of these guys for hours and just never seen anything go wrong for them. Just blatantly rigged.

In the nicest way possible, if you can't beat 10NL you are the one with the problem, good luck.

Yeah, in the nicest way possible: It's rigged. I can beat 50NL on other networks but not even 5NL here and I'm not alone. The fact is that when you go thousands of hands without hitting the flop on these sites - the game's rigged. Especially when you see the other same players never not be scalding hot night after night. You can be the most talented player in the world and if you never even see two pair for a month, you're not going to profit.

I just can't afford to sit there and pour money away here like it's water for no explainable reason with 47o, 63o, K2o, etc for thousands of hands at a clip. Who can? What's the point? No other game is like that.

Hey - I've pulled just about every dime I have off of all of these sites and I'm definitely never depositing again. This is the least lucrative venture you could embark upon at this point in time. Period. Four years of ridiculous bs has been enough.

edit: Sitting there watching the same player who's winning at over 200bb/100 over 1k hands in my database. AA, KK, set, set, flush, full house, AA, QQ. The site's a joke.

You're probably just not very good? Have you even considered this possibly?

This is the same thing you guys tell everyone: What does not seeing a hand in thousands have to do with skill? What about the guy who flopped 3 sets in a row? This has absolutely nothing to do with skill.

Told you: Beating 50NL on other networks. Did you just miss that part? Only here on WPN is the game clearly, clearly rigged like this. I guess you missed the whole thing with ChicagoJoey and how WPN pulled a tantrum when everyone agreed they were a bs site.

I actually actively participated in helping Joey, but please, can you tell us more? Just because you can't win doesn't mean others can't. But you are right the WPN is the hardest of any network on the internet.

That I can't win on one network for 4 years (and only one network) and it's the same network that everyone knows is clearly rigged. And on top of that I'm watching the same 3 players at every stake just stay scalding hot every single day and night. Put it all together and only an idiot would keep putting money down on the table here.

There is no player in the world who can win money when all they see is 64o, 72o, 72o, 72o, 72o, 52o, 92o, etc for 4 hours straight and I'm not sitting there for tens of thousands of hands losing 5+ BI's waiting to "outrun variance". Really, I think more of us than you realize are tired of this same song and dance here in almost 2020 and considering that poker traffic is lower now globally than basically ever, the handwriting is certainly on the wall for the near future and online poker.

Exactly, that's what they were saying.

You definitely need to adapt new skills to beat even $5nl on this site but even then the regs are basically fish. It's easy to see who plays a ton of tables and rape them and there are plenty of fish imo. I'm saying that as a person that is not very good at poker lol.

I hear you but again, man: There's no way I can make any adaptations that lead to profitability when I literally never have a value hand. Ever. In the last 2k hands I've never seen QQ+. I've seen other guys get AA 3 times in a row. Yeah, I know - variance is crazy but I only see it that crazy and to that extent on WPN. No live venue, no other poker site, in no hand histories posted from any other site. What goes on here on WPN is radically different than what you see when you watch poker anywhere else online or off. After 4 years of that, I don't know what else to say.

When this is the highest pop non anonymous network for US players and it's like this, it cuts down our options to such an extent that only the guys sitting at the computer screen for 80+ hours a week are profiting. I'd be happy to sit here for 100+ if profit was truly attainable but again, you can make more money simply being employed anywhere for minimum wage here in the States in 2018.

The cash games are filled with bots/tight Eastern euro grinders at the lowest stakes, there is evidence of this that would explain some of your observations. Rigging however, on this network has never had any evidence produced that was legitimate. Why does it make people so mad when a person simply points out that there conclusion on the riggedness of poker has no evidence to support it. Does some whack **** go on in particular on WPN? Probably. Is it possible that someone has exploited the software? Sure. Is it plausible that the network might do something shady? Perhaps. But there is absolutely no evidence for that and the record of the company itself suggest there probably is no rigging and if there was it would be one of the best coverups in the history of online gaming and I really feel that WPN is just not competent enough to do that

If you can show this empirically on PT4 or Holdem Manager than you are legit to say this. However, the problem with observations like yours, anecdotal observation, is that it is different depending on different people. I, in playing on a few different skins with different accounts, actually thought that ACR had the least weird suckouts. But that was just anecdotal and skewed by my psychology

But someone has ran hot for 1K hands, what more evidence do we need??????

Right: Bad player runs hot for 1k hands and wins a lot of money. Good player runs bad for 10k hands and loses a lot of money. I'm sorry but for any intelligent, shrewd person - that makes no sense. In all reality, in 4+ years of playing I've never really seen any correlation (long term) between who wins a lot and who loses a lot other than the cards that they're dealt and the board run outs. You can clearly see who the better players are but you can also clearly see that every player who's at least somewhat competent is going to be relatively left to the mercy of something random. I just don't think that kind of a game jives with people today as much as it did 10+ years ago and numbers fully support that notion.

Who was this good player you're referring to?

I think we both know that list is extremely long and most of them don't play poker anymore.

Let's say it's completely hypothetical for right now: You know that the best player could run horrible for 20k hands and the worst could run red hot during that time. The good player would lose a ton and the bad player would win a ton. We also all agree that 20k hands is a "small sample size" in online poker. Put it all together and as I said - You would be better off begging for change on the street unless you are absolutely, totally addicted to the game which unfortunately for me I probably always will be at this point. I also don't lose much money and don't have a "gambling problem" so I'm spared of the worst effects of this but I'm just pointing out how it's going to be difficult for this market to gain traction again with the current state of things online.

People keep pointing to skill level and solvers as the reason the games have become so difficult but I really think the larger factor is that the market is unbelievably corrupt and unfair at this point.