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Old 06-10-2021, 10:42 AM   #34251
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Re: Ex-Official Winning Poker Network (ACR, BCP, True) Discussion Thread

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OH WOW. I made the list of people who got scammed lol. I saw XoryBur on there who I played 1/2 with sometimes. It says the amount was $23, but $5.24 cap? Does that mean that is the max they refund players? I don't believe I ever played a cap game with them.
Are they really trying to rake our refunds? Is that what I'm seeing lol
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2.5.3 Generally, WPN will observe an aggregate cap of $25,000 USD per offending player or bot to be distributed among affected players whenever possible. In order to calculate the cap amount per player compensated, his portion will be multiplied by a ratio based on the $25,000 base cap or any new cap that WPN announces.
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:33 PM   #34252
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Look I'm all for this NOSS thing as far as microstakes grinders and beginners having themselves a nice little series...but when is the next real series? I finally get a couple binks and it is like nah man, only $1-5 games for you!

I realize there are plenty of decent GTDs in their daily schedule and Sundays of course...but I find it frustrating how few on week days there are, and how spread out they all are. Makes it hard to get the 8-12 of meaningful tables going I would prefer.

Also, wtf is up with the "Turbos" now having 8, even 12 minute blind levels? They used to be no more than 5 minute levels for any turbo... I have fallen victim to joining some of these thinking they will wrap in less than 4 hours...and then I see oh wait we on 8 min blinds no wonder it taking 6 hours...Why the increase? Turbos shouldnt take longer than 4 hours with 300ish entrants. They are now taking much longer.
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Old 06-10-2021, 04:40 PM   #34253
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2.5.3 Generally, WPN will observe an aggregate cap of $25,000 USD per offending player or bot to be distributed among affected players whenever possible. In order to calculate the cap amount per player compensated, his portion will be multiplied by a ratio based on the $25,000 base cap or any new cap that WPN announces.
That's what I figured, but they apparently reimbursed over $175,000 from one player (FoxRox).
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Old 06-10-2021, 04:47 PM   #34254
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Look I'm all for this NOSS thing as far as microstakes grinders and beginners having themselves a nice little series...but when is the next real series? I finally get a couple binks and it is like nah man, only $1-5 games for you!

I realize there are plenty of decent GTDs in their daily schedule and Sundays of course...but I find it frustrating how few on week days there are, and how spread out they all are. Makes it hard to get the 8-12 of meaningful tables going I would prefer.

Also, wtf is up with the "Turbos" now having 8, even 12 minute blind levels? They used to be no more than 5 minute levels for any turbo... I have fallen victim to joining some of these thinking they will wrap in less than 4 hours...and then I see oh wait we on 8 min blinds no wonder it taking 6 hours...Why the increase? Turbos shouldnt take longer than 4 hours with 300ish entrants. They are now taking much longer.
Play more than 1 poker site?

Shout out to ACR for my $.40 refund!
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Old 06-10-2021, 09:43 PM   #34255
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That's what I figured, but they apparently reimbursed over $175,000 from one player (FoxRox).
I asked their rep why they reimbursed all from foxrox but only $25k from the other related bots. He said he had 'no idea why Phil' decided to not cap at 25k for foxrox, but they couldn't afford to pay the full amount for everyone
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Old 06-11-2021, 10:15 AM   #34256
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Re: Ex-Official Winning Poker Network (ACR, BCP, True) Discussion Thread

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Currently active bots at PLO low stakes:

Gaakshonf
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What a joke, on 5/19 I was deep in a tourney with bot Ph_almighty... the site launched a human verification test (only time i've seen this) that Ph_almighty failed/failed to complete. The bot blinded out of the tournament... I reached out via twitter and left it alone. Got curious today, found your post and found the player is still actively playing, with what appears to be no days off.
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Old 06-11-2021, 03:36 PM   #34257
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I'm saying your framing is backwards. You spent an entire post downplaying the upsides of running it twice. But the upside of running it once is virtually nothing.

Let's say I write a post expounding on all the benefits of lighting money on fire and say "it won't cost you a lot of money so long as you stick to smaller bills." It doesn't matter how factually correct it is. The framing of the risk-reward is just fundamentally wrong.
Your analogy is way off. I'm not framing it to be anything. I am playing devil's advocate on each side of the coin to give the OP perspective why a lot of regs don't play run it twice. It definitely wasn't because they don't know they could, it's because they decided against it.

Obviously you don't fall in this category so you completely do not understand. Because if you did, you would know you don't stay on the show after you shove waiting for the outcome of the hand. You commit and you move on to the next hand. You actually skip the roller coaster emotional ride because if you kept doing that, you will lose your mind and you wouldn't be able to run 10 thousand hands every day. Running it twice only delays the hand that you're not staying to see anyway. Hundreds of shoves everyday. Several Thousands of shoves every month. You better believe that it stacks. And it doesn't serve a purpose to most regs who actually are doing serious volume.
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Old 06-11-2021, 05:49 PM   #34258
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Running it twice is for people that are playing above their heads or just nits in general.
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Old 06-11-2021, 07:24 PM   #34259
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Re: Ex-Official Winning Poker Network (ACR, BCP, True) Discussion Thread

just got an email saying....

"You haven't logged on to Black Chip Poker in days

What's worse is you're now at risk of having your poker account deactivated. Check out our terms of service"

lol what is wrong with this site, their priorities are truly backwards most the time
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Old 06-11-2021, 08:26 PM   #34260
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just got an email saying....

"You haven't logged on to Black Chip Poker in days

What's worse is you're now at risk of having your poker account deactivated. Check out our terms of service"

lol what is wrong with this site, their priorities are truly backwards most the time
I just got this for True account but it's been over a year. Phil announced a month ago that players should set up a default wallet in case they do not logon after X days have balance sent to XXXXXXXX.

I think this email is alluding to that.
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Old 06-11-2021, 08:40 PM   #34261
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I just got this for True account but it's been over a year. Phil announced a month ago that players should set up a default wallet in case they do not logon after X days have balance sent to XXXXXXXX.

I think this email is alluding to that.
how do we set it up though? just pick one of the WPN sites? didn't Nagy say at one point (Ingram interview?) all the skins were gonna be condensed into one main?
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:06 PM   #34262
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What’s the point of account deactivation? Just seems like a waste of time for both site and players.
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:07 PM   #34263
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I just got this for True account but it's been over a year. Phil announced a month ago that players should set up a default wallet in case they do not logon after X days have balance sent to XXXXXXXX.

I think this email is alluding to that.
yea i remember that, which i think is good idea etc. Just a terribly worded email and doesn't really even explain what the problem or concern is, but such is life with wpn
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Old 06-11-2021, 10:27 PM   #34264
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Whatís the point of account deactivation? Just seems like a waste of time for both site and players.
Seems like it's the same concept as why a gift card balance expires without it being used in an allotted amount of time. I'm sure it has to do with the amount of money they have to have on hand to pay out all of the active accounts.

However, the same as a gift card... the money they make from the balances left on a deactivated account has to be significant.
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Old 06-11-2021, 10:29 PM   #34265
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Can someone please explain to me how it's possible every tournament i'm in at some point I end up being 3-4 players once or twice in the tournament for a hand or two. It really should never happen with 1,000 players left.
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Old 06-12-2021, 04:29 AM   #34266
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What a joke, on 5/19 I was deep in a tourney with bot Ph_almighty... the site launched a human verification test (only time i've seen this) that Ph_almighty failed/failed to complete. The bot blinded out of the tournament... I reached out via twitter and left it alone. Got curious today, found your post and found the player is still actively playing, with what appears to be no days off.
Where did those names come from? Just a list of people suspected to be bots or some other source? Couldnít find ITT
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Old 06-12-2021, 05:08 AM   #34267
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That's what I figured, but they apparently reimbursed over $175,000 from one player (FoxRox).
This has to be false. I played 43k hands combined with all 7 bots. I brought this to the attention of support twice. ACR did not reimburse me for 1 cent. I had played easily 10 final tables with them. Also the thing that's even more frustrating is if anyone remembers, a lot of those tournaments they were in all started short handed because there were like maybe 7 bots and 7 regs pre-registration. So your playing short handed sometimes with up to 2-3 bots maybe if I remember correctly. Also, if I remember correctly, the bots were all pre-registered before the Mtts started ( I am pretty sure about this but not certain). So, yep, I'll say it, I have always thought ACR was running the bots. Right around when the bots got caught P5s magically all of a sudden stopped tracking results, if I remember correctly. There is no way they refunded 175k.
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Old 06-12-2021, 08:43 AM   #34268
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Hundreds of shoves everyday. Several Thousands of shoves every month. You better believe that it stacks.
Okay, so I feel like this conversation's getting to the point that we might be parodied by one of those Ace Attorney YouTube memes at some point, so let me just reply to this one sentence and try to tie a bow on this:

It does NOT, in fact, add up to much.

Assuming an all-in and a call before the river happens once every 100 hands (which seems generous for a 100bb+ game), that's running it twice 2,500 per month for your hypothetical mega-grinder who's playing a quarter million hands per month. Let's assume RIT costs you a full second on average, that's a total of 40 minutes at one table at any one time. As you point out, no one is sitting there staring at In order to play a quarter million hands in a month, you'd need to be playing 1500 hands per hour over a 170 work-month, which is like 8 tabling Blitz or 15-tabling standard SH tables. Since, as you point out, no one is just sitting there staring at the two runouts of an all-in sweating the results, it's not actually costing you a full 40 minutes of productivity; it's just taking an extra second to deal another hand on one of your 8 Blitz tables, so you lose 5 minutes of actual volume, or a little over 100 hands. Even assuming you're a 5bb/100 crusher while 8-tabling 100z, you're losing $5 a month.

Meanwhile, the variance for playing 250,000 hands with 100 SD (it'd be MUCH higher for a player GIIing before the river once every hundred hands) is 5,000bbs. Of course you'd have to isolate how much of your variance is due to AIEV, and since I'm not a statistician, that's unfortunately where I get out of my depth. In any case, we're talking about shaving several hundred or likely thousands of dollars worth of variance off your monthly ledger, which is significant if you're using poker to pay the bills.

Aaaaaaand all of that math is fairly irrelevant because hand volume is an efficient market seeing as how, ya know, people 8-tabling Blitz get to determine how many tables they're playing. If they really were shoving before the river so much that having RIT ticked or unticked were significantly slowing down their hand volume, then they'd be able to play another table. Now, you may be thinking it's really silly to suggest a reg can just fire up another table when they have RIT checked, but the reason that's silly makes my point for me: RIT doesn't really slow gameplay down in any remotely mentionable degree.

And all of THAT is assuming extremely steep assumptions about things like play volume that aren't common and likely weren't the impetus for the poster a while ago being like "gee, a lot of regs sure do have RIT turned off."

Anyway, I hope you have a very nice day and that we both remember to do something kind for someone :thumbs up:
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Old 06-12-2021, 03:16 PM   #34269
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how do we set it up though? just pick one of the WPN sites? didn't Nagy say at one point (Ingram interview?) all the skins were gonna be condensed into one main?
Yes, like a year or so ago he said it would be one account by 6 months ago. Par for the course for WPN to say things that either don't happen or happen way later. Their new software was months away for years and still wasn't even close to ready when they rolled it out.
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Old 06-12-2021, 07:23 PM   #34270
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Yes, like a year or so ago he said it would be one account by 6 months ago. Par for the course for WPN to say things that either don't happen or happen way later. Their new software was months away for years and still wasn't even close to ready when they rolled it out.
Agreed. I would say itís just now to the point where is should have been released. Iíve played nothing but cash for the last 3 days and my rakeback hasnít moved. This will be around the 6th or 7th time Iíve have to contact them to make it right. Theyíve always made it right but I would rather the issue get fixed so I donít have to keep going through this. Instead they just credit my account and consider the matter closed
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Old Yesterday, 03:52 AM   #34271
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Okay, so I feel like this conversation's getting to the point that we might be parodied by one of those Ace Attorney YouTube memes at some point, so let me just reply to this one sentence and try to tie a bow on this:

It does NOT, in fact, add up to much.

Assuming an all-in and a call before the river happens once every 100 hands (which seems generous for a 100bb+ game), that's running it twice 2,500 per month for your hypothetical mega-grinder who's playing a quarter million hands per month. Let's assume RIT costs you a full second on average, that's a total of 40 minutes at one table at any one time. As you point out, no one is sitting there staring at In order to play a quarter million hands in a month, you'd need to be playing 1500 hands per hour over a 170 work-month, which is like 8 tabling Blitz or 15-tabling standard SH tables. Since, as you point out, no one is just sitting there staring at the two runouts of an all-in sweating the results, it's not actually costing you a full 40 minutes of productivity; it's just taking an extra second to deal another hand on one of your 8 Blitz tables, so you lose 5 minutes of actual volume, or a little over 100 hands. Even assuming you're a 5bb/100 crusher while 8-tabling 100z, you're losing $5 a month.

Meanwhile, the variance for playing 250,000 hands with 100 SD (it'd be MUCH higher for a player GIIing before the river once every hundred hands) is 5,000bbs. Of course you'd have to isolate how much of your variance is due to AIEV, and since I'm not a statistician, that's unfortunately where I get out of my depth. In any case, we're talking about shaving several hundred or likely thousands of dollars worth of variance off your monthly ledger, which is significant if you're using poker to pay the bills.

Aaaaaaand all of that math is fairly irrelevant because hand volume is an efficient market seeing as how, ya know, people 8-tabling Blitz get to determine how many tables they're playing. If they really were shoving before the river so much that having RIT ticked or unticked were significantly slowing down their hand volume, then they'd be able to play another table. Now, you may be thinking it's really silly to suggest a reg can just fire up another table when they have RIT checked, but the reason that's silly makes my point for me: RIT doesn't really slow gameplay down in any remotely mentionable degree.

And all of THAT is assuming extremely steep assumptions about things like play volume that aren't common and likely weren't the impetus for the poster a while ago being like "gee, a lot of regs sure do have RIT turned off."

Anyway, I hope you have a very nice day and that we both remember to do something kind for someone :thumbs up:
Your assumptions are wrong and you made an analysis that's compoundedly wrong because of wrong assumptions. Bottomline, it does stack and by a lot. . And the serious volume I posted of 100k-250k a month is not a hypothetical grinder. It's not a small percentage of one or two grinders either. There's a lot of regs who actually put this volume. One day, maybe when you can actually put that kind of volume and not be bothered by "40 buyins under EV over 150k hands" you'll understand.
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Running it twice is for people that are playing above their heads or just nits in general.
not how I would word it but TRUE.
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Old Yesterday, 04:52 AM   #34273
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Play more than 1 poker site?

Shout out to ACR for my $.40 refund!
Other than Bovada/ignition (no thx), name one for US player to add to arsenal. I am all ears.
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Where did those names come from? Just a list of people suspected to be bots or some other source? Couldnít find ITT
Click on the > after HandOfGod666 in the Quote.
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Other than Bovada/ignition (no thx), name one for US player to add to arsenal. I am all ears.
M laughing about a $.40 refund doesn't mean I don't like WPN, fyi. For another site, depends what you play. If cash games, global is great to add. If tournaments there is no other option than WPN and Bovada. There is a few tournaments on BOL worth playing but not much.
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