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08-14-2020 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tchnbn
Hi guys, i have recently started to play cash games instead of tournaments, have been grinding on and off for like 3 months, and now i have 14bb/100 winrate(as EV i think it is like 16bb/100) on GGNetwork at NL5. But according to my calculations, after rakeback (took it like %20 since i have a very low PVI there, might be even less RB). For what i've found, it's 33$/10k hands with the rakeback and it seems a little bit like a ripoff to me. I know microstakes is always like that but i'm from a poor country that the minimum wage is ~1.5$/h so i gotta grind through my way rather than getting a job and jump in the middle stakes with a decent BR.

So, what i want to ask is, is there anyone who plays microstakes on WPN and how is the rake/rakeback structure there? And how is the field, as soft as GGpoker? Is there any bots or any shady activites? Should i switch it to there?

Thanks in advance.
I don't play on GG poker, but I heard the rake is astronomical. The rake is high on WPN as well, I think for all microstakes on any network the rake is high. I would get WPN rake back if you plan on playing micros on WPN. Soft action, I believe. If you want even softer and you are in NV, just play on WSOP.com.
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08-14-2020 , 08:30 PM
^ i dont think min wage is a dollar and fifty cents in vegas.
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08-14-2020 , 08:52 PM
Just started playing on this site this morning and I have been disconnected with both top set and nut flush in two different 150 bb+ pots. Is this a serious ****** thing typically ? The disconnects I mean
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08-14-2020 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbarnes
Just started playing on this site this morning and I have been disconnected with both top set and nut flush in two different 150 bb+ pots. Is this a serious ****** thing typically ? The disconnects I mean
I haven’t had any today (yet). Yesterday I was disconnected every 10 min. It’s just so strange. I don’t know how to explain it
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08-14-2020 , 10:06 PM
Wired internet connection recommended for this site.
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08-14-2020 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kristi007
I don't play on GG poker, but I heard the rake is astronomical. The rake is high on WPN as well, I think for all microstakes on any network the rake is high. I would get WPN rake back if you plan on playing micros on WPN. Soft action, I believe. If you want even softer and you are in NV, just play on WSOP.com.
The rake is actually VERY LOW in WPN compared to more established sites like pokerstars. At PS, @less than NL50, rake is around 8-8.5 bb/100. At WPN it's at 5.5-6.5. This is a massive addition to your win rate.
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08-14-2020 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ledn
Why do I get chat banned everytime I get 2
/3 outted in a big allin (aka all the time) before I even start venting. Its not an actual chat ban I can chat on other tables. But I get a preemptive ban on that table, not even an innocent "cool" gets thru. How an I supposed to not break my keyboard if I cant even vent a little after yet another all in gone wrong.

I dont even berate the other players, at worst I sarcastically congratulate them for knowing that my biggest leak is losing all ins, especially deep in tourneys
Lol amazing
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+1 to wired internet connection. I use that as well and whilst I have some issues, its not even close to the stuff I read other people deal with.
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08-15-2020 , 12:20 AM
cam anyone tell me if its possible to release the 200 percent bonus for 1000 for just playing tournies? Should I even consider playing micros cash?
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08-15-2020 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
Lol amazing
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+1 to wired internet connection. I use that as well and whilst I have some issues, its not even close to the stuff I read other people deal with.
Why when I play ACR and one other site like Betonline/global/bovada simultaneously do I disconnect from ACR and the others stay connected as if nothing is happening. My internet isn’t dropping
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08-15-2020 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ak97b
The rake is actually VERY LOW in WPN compared to more established sites like pokerstars. At PS, @less than NL50, rake is around 8-8.5 bb/100. At WPN it's at 5.5-6.5. This is a massive addition to your win rate.
Oh I didn't know WPN had lower rake. Thats great! Thanks for info.
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08-15-2020 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger24
Why when I play ACR and one other site like Betonline/global/bovada simultaneously do I disconnect from ACR and the others stay connected as if nothing is happening. My internet isn’t dropping
They prob saw your complaining on 2+2 and Phil personally enabled doomswitch.
Alternatively your internet is worse in general (Im in EU, we tend to have better infrastructure than US).
Alternatively some other reason, **** if I know
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08-15-2020 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ak97b
The rake is actually VERY LOW in WPN compared to more established sites like pokerstars. At PS, @less than NL50, rake is around 8-8.5 bb/100. At WPN it's at 5.5-6.5. This is a massive addition to your win rate.
oh that's a big difference. if you say 6.5 it's already 12.5$/10k hands, plus better rakeback i imagine. thanks!
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08-15-2020 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tchnbn
oh that's a big difference. if you say 6.5 it's already 12.5$/10k hands, plus better rakeback i imagine. thanks!
acually on PS the rake is smaller nl50 and below AFIAK.

wpn 5% 3$ cap

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but after RB perhaps you pay less on wpn. i do not know cos i do not play acr yet.
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08-15-2020 , 11:45 AM
is the SnC and Beast $95 Ticket now just for a satellite? That's all you can use it for?
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08-15-2020 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GoinGreen
is the SnC and Beast $95 Ticket now just for a satellite? That's all you can use it for?
Email support and they should credit you. I posed this question on their forums and they told me they'd give me $t. Support said they don't do that so I sent them the link to my thread where they said they would do it. I am at work or I would send you the link, but if you are on poker.org you should be able to search posts by user name. PungentCrotchsweat and it should be my most recent post.

If you can't find it pm me and I'll link it tonight
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08-15-2020 , 02:29 PM
How yall loving the reg hating changes then? lol $500 top tier. Slowly eradicating rakeback a la Stars
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08-15-2020 , 04:03 PM
The beast went from paying the top ~350 to 800 to 1.6k, that's a popular change. All the top grinders still have 5 star general to print out 55+% RB.
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08-15-2020 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Barely
The beast went from paying the top ~350 to 800 to 1.6k, that's a popular change. All the top grinders still have 5 star general to print out 55+% RB.
+1
Gotta shake my head and agree that it's reasonable. Giving out 1250 to the same 25 people every week for no reason was not.
This also hurts the bots.
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08-15-2020 , 04:38 PM
Did they announce the changes to the Sit N Crush pay structure somewhere? What a drag.

Feel like this is gonna cause a significant hit to how frequently SNGs and jackpots run.
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08-15-2020 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Barely
The beast went from paying the top ~350 to 800 to 1.6k, that's a popular change. All the top grinders still have 5 star general to print out 55+% RB.
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Originally Posted by Krax
+1
Gotta shake my head and agree that it's reasonable. Giving out 1250 to the same 25 people every week for no reason was not.
This also hurts the bots.
SNG ecosystem is completely different than cash games and it's not correct to lump them together. If a whale sits at any cash game table it will instantly fill whether there are players on it already or not. If the same whale sits in a $100 9 man game and you don't have motivated regs? Crickets

Sure some stuff will still run but this is a huge net negative and this has already been done before on sites like Stars/Chico where they decreased rewards and SNG traffic got way more affected than any more format. SNGs run around the reg pool
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08-15-2020 , 05:21 PM
I made a post about this on the WPN forum about this and am waiting for it to get approved, but what I said basically mirrored the point that Thrash is making. I can't comment how it affects the cash games, but if you lower the cash payouts for SNGs, you're dis-incentivizing the regs from starting games. For SNGs, this is huge. Recreational players aren't going to wait too long for a game to start, and once they find something else to play, they're going to unregister that game that they originally wanted to play.

I suggested on the WPN forum (when the post shows up) that they should either revert the change, or switch it to a daily leaderboard like Party. I'm hopeful for the latter, and as I believe that would give the SNG ecosystem a big boost.
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08-15-2020 , 05:56 PM
where is the new structure for SnC? I mean if they are just making it so more players get rewards rather than just top grinders isn't that a good thing for overall ecology?
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08-15-2020 , 07:55 PM
What does the jackpot rake go towards? Is it just the "sit and crush" and "the beast" things at the top right corner of the client? "Sit and crush" seems to be for SnG players and "The beast" seems to only reward high volume players.

So, if you're not a SnG player or a high volume cash game player is that jackpot rake you're paying essentially being xferred to high volume/skill players?
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08-15-2020 , 08:10 PM
Hello. Forgive me this has been discussed 500 times but for Sit N Crush On Demands

Is there double points for LATE or EARLY reg?!?!
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08-15-2020 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GoinGreen
where is the new structure for SnC? I mean if they are just making it so more players get rewards rather than just top grinders isn't that a good thing for overall ecology?
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The structure is the same as The Beast, with the spots paying 500, 250, 125, and 50 (as well as a $95 tournament ticket).

The thing is that, once the old 1250 regs get the needed points to secure a 500 spot, what are they gonna do? There’s no incentive for them to play, since SNGs have thin ROIs. They’re not going to keep playing because it kills their effective RB. Nothing changes for the regs that go for 500, and maybe the ones that go for 125 now get 250 instead. And you can take a look at the Stars SNG ecosystem to see an example of what happens when incentives are completely removed.

Yes, games will still run because the leaderboards are paying something out still, but they will run at a lower frequency. But the games run (and even more so at the higher stakes) because the top tier grinders are at the tables every day battling it out, and seeding the games for 8-12 hours. And because high stakes games feed a large portion of the pool (due to paying more rake), we’ll see an overall reduction in the total prize pool when those games run less. As a result, I’d expect to see much less high stakes games running during the week. I highly doubt there will be enough new players battling for 500 to make up the reduced volume of the previous 1250 regs.

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
What does the jackpot rake go towards? Is it just the "sit and crush" and "the beast" things at the top right corner of the client? "Sit and crush" seems to be for SnG players and "The beast" seems to only reward high volume players.

So, if you're not a SnG player or a high volume cash game player is that jackpot rake you're paying essentially being xferred to high volume/skill players?
Spin players are also eligible for the SNC race. I'd see it as an extension to your rakeback. If you don't participate, you can get the default 27%. If you can place on the leaderboard (and there's a ton of spots, you don't necessarily have to go for the top spots), you'll get more effective rakeback.

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Originally Posted by coolscreenname1231
Hello. Forgive me this has been discussed 500 times but for Sit N Crush On Demands

Is there double points for LATE or EARLY reg?!?!
Double points are for both early and late reg.
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