Lol, Nagy says on Joey's podcast he has over 300 people working for this company across 3 different continents and it takes over a month to get rakeback/rewards page resolved. That makes a ton of sense, everything seems fine and dandy.

did acr actually say somewhere they were gonna pay RB out? this is kinda crazy, they **** me so hard constantly and i still have to play :/

Holdem cash is an absolute bot festival. PLO cash is crawling with bot at nearly all stakes, with 2 bots on some tables. Not sure about MTTs. Nagy said there was an 11 man security detail. Very strange how after their big investigation 4/92 PLO bots were banned and not a single account more for the past 7 weeks? The only thing "security" has been seen to do since the update was releasing the infamous multitable captchas and harassing some innocent USA recreational players on the phone.

One thing I am curious about is if anyone has seen any of the known bot accounts get the countdown timeout glitch. I didn't see it in over 40k hands. I'd guess they are immune from this glitch because they can easily be programmed to not click in the time period that activates the glitch (I believe it activates when you click an action within a certain time period near the reserve time bank being activated in both cash and mtts).

A guy on chico told me this :

https://imgur.com/a/3PjT9Z6

Believe me when I tell you there are exponentially more bots in MTT's. I think you and I disagree here but I'd say the most profitable bots are in MTT's and SnGs.

Every time there's someone who's shot clock keeps timing down to specific time like 4 seconds and seems automated I report it to security. I'm sure some are people multi tabling but some are definitely bots. Also some people could have the delayed action software but I doubt many people playing in the micros are using those.

Bot's can not act quickly. None of them. The process of knowing it needs to act, then scraping the screen, then running through the code then acting is a several second process. There's a video on YouTube of someone watching their bot play and every time the shot clock came on. The video was about 20 minutes long. The shot clock coming on was very consistent with the bot's play in the video.

Also there were times the player had to act for the bot because it didn't act and would time out. I guess it didn't scrape the screen correctly or something.

Well it looks like they are doing something about bots now - I just had one of those "I am not a robot" things pop up with a 2 minute timer to complete to prove I wasn't a bot.

Anyone else had this happen to them? Seems like it could be pretty effective

Edit:
I guess this is a known/common thing then? Never seen it before tonight, not sure what set it off for me

A lot of the PLO cash bots snap act. Some tank, some vary their timing. I honestly do not have enough information on the MTT bots to have an opinion but I have seen a couple of the sharkscope graphs so I believe they are quite profitable.

We've been over this many times. Captchas are not effective at dealing with the PLO/NL bots that are destroying the cash tables.

Yw, I'm just saying it like I see it. A few days or a week while upgrading is inconvenient, a month later is negligence. They built this site back up to what it is by offering better rewards, rakeback and leaderboards. To expect players to not be upset and vocal when they take all that away suddenly without explanation or ETA is ludicrous.

He said so much on that podcast that was total BS. That guy is nothing but the "oh and and um um and oh" CEO in my book, not to be believed or trusted. Where is he anyways? Totally MIA for 10+ days now. Have you seen some of his responses to players on twitter? Completely disgraceful. Idk how he is still CEO with the way he handles things publicly and internally.

Agreed and yes, there is still tons in the mtts. I would estimate there is still 200+ bots on this site and that is being generous towards the site.

I doubt the bots would glitch there. That glitch happens if you act exactly when the initial countdown rolls over to timebank time. At first it would reset your bet amount, so if you were raising and had typed in amt or pushed 1/2 pot, pot etc it would revert to a min raise. Then when they "fixed" that bug, the disappearing buttons started instead. The bots I seen all act pretty fast or within a few seconds of the countdown starting so I doubt it.

Not surprised at all. Check out some of the bot forums, they are being updated like crazy. One had 36 downloads of the new WPN core files after upgrade fix. They are only one site out of many selling bot software.

Adding captcha is not going to stop the bots. There are ways to automate captcha solving with high success. Also, a lot of bots human counterparts are watching them play and will intercept the captcha. What it will do is drive away players whom are wrongfully accused and have to jump through WPN hoops to get access to their account.

From what I've seen in the forums it seemed to be coming up for multitablers with 6+ games open. I had only been able to run 4 without lag issues when I was still playing for the first month of upgrade and it didn't come up for me at all. How many tables were you playing when it happened to you?

Can everyone please just not play on WPN until they pay rakeback/VIP rewards? I see no reason to keep money on a site that isn’t paying out the rakeback they are supposed to. Until then, I will not play a single hand on WPN.

If we greatly reduce the traffic on the site then they will be forced to fix this sooner rather than later. Also, is there any way to track the rakeback that is owed to us?

Why ? I am a rec player on ACR as most of the players. I play some tourneys during the week and cash a few times, nothing big but thats poker. I am not complaining. Bots ? If I spot one I take advantage of them. Sorry but not all players are dependent on RB .

I'm in the middle of 2 tournaments and got DC and it will not let me connect back onto ACR... this is ridiculous. My internet is working 100% fine...obviously as I'm posting this right now. Anyone else having this issue? Is the whole client down?

Their website is also down.. wtf

For those of you saying your BTC withdrawals are decreasing in value, are they decreasing in value before or after it hits your BTC account? If it's before, then that's bull ****. If it's after, well, you can't blame WPN for that.

I have text message notification on Blockchain so that I know immediately when a withdrawal hits my account to avoid BTC price fluctuation as much as possible.

Last week I received $1,997.55 on a $2,000 withdrawal.

I made 3rd tier playing micro to low/mid tournaments and some SNG's...No cash.
I dunno what rank that is on ACR. I was working on 4 until i took time off cause i couldn't stand WPN anymore.

I agree with most of what you said, but you can climb up in at least middle tiers.

Of course now i can't tell what points i have or anything.

So I finally had to test the waters for myself to see what is up with the bugs.

Played something like 15 MTTs yesterday and was lucky enough to ship the $104.50 Hyper for $3,450

That said, the bugs were unacceptable, and overall my original thoughts about them being reported by others were accurate: It's pretty much unplayable. Didn't play any cash, but the MTTs freeze up randomly left and right not allowing you to sit back in after it times you down to your timebank about to be enabled then just folds you out of the hand. Sitting back in isn't given as an option and it just shows you sitting out (had to close table and click "take my seat" from the lobby to sit back in). Folded many big pocket pairs and sexy holdings. Again, I was lucky to come out on top.

I would be here if I lost on the session as well, but I think it's important that those of you who also have managed to play winning sessions acknowledge how crappy it really is. This. Software. Isn't. Acceptable.

The lack of tables popping up, the super slow clunky animations like my PC is bogged down, makes it unplayable for me without the bugs. I've auto folded so many hands do to this crap. I have many other things running smooth at the same time, including other poker clients. If I get 2 tables up on WPN, it lags really bad, even with animations off. It takes up little memory and if it was the GPU other things would run bad.

Losing money, tilting cause the software is so rough for me, I can't play on here. It's OK i guess, I'm making money on other sites without 5 hr LR.

I played Thursday and Saturday, and I did not have any of the problems that you guys are stating. I played both 6 max NLHE cash and MTTs.

My software didn't crash, I didn't lose my buttons, the tables didn't freeze up, I didn't have timebank issues, I didn't miss any hands, etc. I guess I'm running good from a software standpoint, but who knows?

Between WPN, Ignition, BO, and Merge, I regularly had 6-8 tables running and all 4 software programs plus Pockertracker running at the same time.

My PC is a decent PC, but it's nothing special.

I also have 4 monitors hooked up and will run Twitch plus other websites at the same time with little issue. Occasionally it acts like it might bog down for a second or two, but then recovers without ever closing out the software programs or tables.

Turn off the animations, they made my computer crawl after a couple minutes. Now I have a slight lag once in a blue moon. Huge difference

Yup, I should have also mentioned that I run my software as bare as possible. No animations, no avatars, no chat, etc. And that is my preference with or without bugs, but I guess with all of those things turned off, the software runs much more smoothly.

same here

Does having no avatars help speed up the client? I am not having problems with it going slow, but aside from someone deciding to change their face, I don't see how it would be any different than having the choice of table backgrounds.

I honestly have no idea. Just trying to be transparent about how I'm running the software on my end since I'm not having the same issues as others.

As someone who tried those tips yesterday, I can confirm they don't do jack in terms of preventing the timedown/sitout glitch, which happens seriously every 30 minutes of a tourney for me. Not to mention the software just moved super slow in general all day for me yesterday...tables open a lot slower than pre update...same with game lobbies for individual tourneys...take a good 3-5 seconds to open. Beyond tilting.

Yeah, like I said I have animations off, also avatars off. It didn't make any diff with the choppy lag. I can run any other site fine(with animations), PS will run, I even play some higher spec games on this older PC. 1gb of GPU and 8gb of ram is plenty to run this software. If it's not they need to see where the software leaks are.